Goat dies after violent attack by men **Title edited by MNHQ - distressing article in OP post**

In Australia the tragic case of the hand rape and murder of Anita Cobby has some truly awful details about bestiality and animal torture.

In DV case study, pets are often hurt by the perpetrators, in many cases women don't leave because they are afraid of what will happen to their pets. It's a sufficiently serious impediment to women leaving dangerous relationships, that most major animal welfare agencies offer emergency accommodation for pets.

I'm sure you are right Olenna re the "less than human" aspect.

Thanks, Fermat!
I did not know that.

Regarding trigger warnings, I disregard them now unless they give me a specific reason. Not just violence, but violence against child, is a warning I heed.
Sometimes I do not realize that I have been triggered until I am shaking ten minutes later. There is no effective way to warn everyone.

Regarding MRAs. If you waddle like a duck and quack like a duck the odds are that people are going to guess you are a duck. Misogyny training was given to us all which explains why there are what is called feMRAs.

I agree too, Lass

I'd go further, and suggest that the well known link between animal cruelty and violence towards humans is in part because those who do horrendous things to animals then go on to rationalise their violence against other people by seeing them as less than human (because they are female / gay / Muslim / not Muslim / "other" )

Agree with lass

I’ve no idea how much understanding goats have but they’ll know fear and they’ll know they’re pregnant

Cruelty to animals upsets me more than anything. Animals know fear and they recognise those who will hurt them but they cannot rationalise or understand in any way what is happening , which makes it worse and they cannot stop it or escape

still

This story really upset me because of how vulnerable I felt when I was pregnant and how aware I was that if any man wanted to hurt me I’d have no chance and I’d be terrified he’d hurt my baby. I’ve no idea how much understanding goats have but they’ll know fear and they’ll know they’re pregnant.

I’ve a lot less understanding for men and the tiny amount of women that hurt and abuse children and animals than I had before I was a mother. I have no fucks at all and these types of stories really effect me a lot more than they did before I had my own dc.

Ocean's 1!

Off topic (sort of) but does anyone have any thoughts on trigger warnings?

I find what triggers me to be really personal and specific and kind of peripheral to the actual traumatic events (certain smells, a hairstyle, a ringing phone, for example) so never quite understood a universal trigger warning. And despite having experiences of being a victim, what triggers me far more is reading about cruelty inflicted against any child of a similar age to my children at the moment of reading.

If Steve wants to live up to the Milk Tray man's legacy I'm expecting him to provide evidence of swimming with sharks at the very least.

Poor Steve, it must be distressing to be seen as unimportant by the women you're trying to lecture even after you went to the trouble of stealing a dead entrepreneur's specs.

Exactly. I mean, it's like rubbishing Raffles or the Milk Tray man. Don't we women know a gentleman thief when we see one? Where's the respect from the women of today?

Nobody is saying 'women are shit' on here as far as I know. Indeed, perish that thought.

Poor Steve, it must be distressing to be seen as unimportant by the women you're trying to lecture even after you went to the trouble of stealing a dead entrepreneur's specs.

Alright alright

Ive obviously forgotten 90% of what steve said

The whole "we did everything for you and now you owe us!" thing is a bit of a clue too.

Oooh although turtle has a very good point

e, anybody male that disagrees with the hive is quickly labelled an 'MRA'

How do yiu know they are male?

Not that it matters, i always assume people are female on here

Men fear:getting laughed at by women, or having to pay child support to women

I'd say that getting stabbed, bottled, head stamped on, pint glass in the face etc are bigger worries and things that mainly happen to men

You missed out the reference in the original quote to "by women"

I doubt there are many men worried about getting stabbed, bottled, head stamped on, pint glass in the face etc at the hands of women.

Women can laugh at, sneer, mock or ridicule men - all not very nice - but they rarely commit acts of physical violence towards them.

stevejobsspectacles

First of all I am not an "MRA"

As far as I can tell from the various threads on here, anybody male that disagrees with the hive is quickly labelled an 'MRA'. Just ignore it really - its just one of their knee-jerk reactions.

Thanks