As I was saying about the police.....

OP for your own personal “safety” (from a legal perspective) I would just refuse to engage with the complainant on anything even close to trans issues. If they bring it up you can either leave the room/area/conversation or just look at them blankly until they finish speaking and remain silent. They can only have the conversation if you respond. Don’t give them anything to use against you.

The problem is not "trans people" at all, but rather the idea that biological sex is somehow less relevant than an unverifiable internal declaration of gender identity now, and the drive to enshrine this into law.

I've been told how evil I am by more than one woman (I don't mean trans) merely for wanting to discuss this calmly and rationally.

I think its also worth considering the influence that charities & organisations such as Stonewall, Mermaids etc play in reinforcing ideas of what a hate crime is.

YY.

And to those wondering how a conversation between acquaintances got reported to the police - I can only say that the person involved seems incapable of actually HAVING a conversation about TG issues. Any discussion = hate crime apparently.

This is exactly my concern on this topic. We have even seen the reactions of other posters who basically echo this point of view, and my question to them is: when and how are we allowed to speak about these issues then? Because I think having a calm, rational, facts based approach here is important, but we keep getting accused of hatred for even wanting to just talk about real concerns around actual changes to the law that affect who falls into the category "female" legally. I do not condone any transphobic abuse. The problem is not "trans people" at all, but rather the idea that biological sex is somehow less relevant than an unverifiable internal declaration of gender identity now, and the drive to enshrine this into law. Because I don't agree with that principle, and I think it's vulnerable to exploitation by genuinely bad actors. In fact, I think we have already seen examples of such exploitation, that somehow always get dismissed by the "no true trans person" fallacy argument.
The silencing tactics surrounding any part of this discussion are making things worse. If gender-critical concerns are all "bunk" then the least we could ask for is a constructive dialogue so that our minds could be convinced that some safeguards will be put in place regarding freedom of speech, freedom of belief, women's rights, female political representation, accuracy of data-keeping including tracking previous convictions under a different name and gender, and provision of single-sex spaces (to name a few).

I think its also worth considering the influence that charities & organisations such as Stonewall, Mermaids etc play in reinforcing ideas of what a hate crime is.

I must say, OP, I agree with Crow. Narcs don't give up easily, so if that's the case here, do mind how you go.

And generally: those rushing in to angrily defend vexatious reporting of petty spats to the police on the basis of most oppressed/stunning, brave might like to consider that promoting narcs as poster children for the cause might not be the best strategy.

There was a thread a few months ago which may be of interest and is perhaps relevent:
OP womanformallyknownaswoman wrote:
"What's essential is dealing with reports and complaints of any kind is discerning between a usual, a persistent and a querulant (unusually persistent) complainant.

The persistent complainants’ pursuit of vindication and retribution fits badly with complaints systems established to deliver reparation and compensation. Extract from a report on Unusually Persistent Complainants against the Police in Scotland:

The research on which this report is based arose from my view, shared by many others, that increasingly organisations are required to manage people who make persistent complaints. This small group of individuals can consume a disproportionate amount of an organisation’s resources, pursuing what they believe are legitimate complaints, for longer and with more intensity than the majority of the population would consider reasonable.

The key to managing unacceptable complainant conduct is to manage your own response to it (New South Wales Ombusdman, 2009A) and the importance of adequate training, supervision and managerial support for complaints handlers can not be overstated.

They used the term ‘querulousness’ to refer to a constellation of behaviours and attitudes, which may, or may not, arise secondary to a major mental disorder. The key is that it is a problem behaviour, the causes of which can be many and varied. The behaviour involves “the unusually persistent pursuit of a personal grievance in a manner seriously damaging to the individual’s economic, social, and personal interests, and disruptive to the functioning of the courts and/or other agencies attempting to resolve the claims” (Mullen and Lester, 2006)."

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241727-Weaponising-of-the-Complaints-Process

Winniesalot I don't want to scaremonger but just watch your back for a few weeks. If the person is a narc they won't take kindly to being told their complaint is of no consequence.

Thanks for the update, OP.

It's a testament to the current distorted climate that everyone is mildly surprised that the issue was dealt with in an appropriate manner.

OP, thanks for coming back and updating us.
I'm am glad you're okay

Triumph for common sense!

Narcs gonna narc.

This is so grandiose! Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

Was my first thought.

Good to hear that the police treated this complaint with precisely the level of seriousness that it deserved.

Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

I suspect that the trans part is just a convenient cause to hang the sense of aggrieved entitlement that goes along with being a narc on. If it was possible to file charges against people for not believing you're a genius they'd try that too.

Glad it's all done and dusted using common sense, OP.

TG person wanted this dealt with "at the highest level"

This is so grandiose! Makes me wonder whether the real problem here is a narc Cluster B person rather than anything to do with the person being trans or not.

the narcissistic personality is characterized by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, hypersensitivity to evaluation by others, and lack of empathy

Thanks for your update OP and so glad that common sense prevailed.

Still aghast that this individual wasted everyone's time.

Talk about entitlement - demanding it be dealt with at the highest level, when some genuine causes cannot even get a police officer out these days.

But that's the selfish, narcissitic nature of some.

When home invasion is being downgraded to Civil Trespass by the Police I find this a massive abuse of Police resources, even if the visit was to close off and tick boxes re the non- incident.

No, Lasquirrel. That is not true at all.
We must both grow up, that does not happen at all, so I have been told anyway.