People apparently support trans

Please think about a transgender woman - that is a man
who has gone through all or part of a process to become a
woman. How comfortable or uncomfortable would you be for a
transgender woman to use female public toilets?

I wonder also what most would consider 'part of a process'?

Guidance from 'Press for Change: The UKs leading experts in Transgender Law'

The Explanatory Notes to the Act make it quite clear that 'gender reassignment' is to be considered a social process and not a medical process.

As such, the act protects anyone who is Intending to undergo, is undergoing, or has undergone gender reassignment even if they have not had or do not intend to have any medical gender reassignment treatments.

Initially the European Court of Justice used the phrase “intending to undergo, undergoing or having undergone gender reassignment” but s. 82 of the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (as amended) now states that this refers to those people intending to transition, or who have transitioned to living permanently in the new gender role ‘under medical supervision’. Medical supervision is as little as going to the doctor and saying "I wish to undergo gender reassignment treatment, please could you refer me to be put on the waiting list for a clinical assessment”.

With the Equality Act 2010 under medical Supervision has been removed and is no longer required.

As such it is possible to say that “intending to undergo, undergoing or having undergone gender reassignment” now means in UK law; “intending to live permanently, or is already living permanently in the new gender role.”
www.pfc.org.uk/Equality.html

Also a lot of people seem to think a transwoman is a transman, and vice versa. Have had a few people saying 'why on earth wouldnt transowmen be wecome in womens changing rooms, they are female who just want to dress like men!' and such. Language is a bit confusing, possibly purposely.

My answer to this depends on what definition of transwoman is being used tbh. ost operative transsexuals (who I expect most people think of when hearing 'transwoman') I have no issue with using female spaces (though prisons and such..is a lot more difficult)

I still think the majority of he public think transgender means transsexual. I have noticed an influx of TRAs claiming they mean the same too, recently.

Hayley Cropper:
(Wiki)
"Transgender groups were also largely unhappy with the storyline, and found Hayley's original character traits, as written, cliched and ill-informed. Press for Change, the transgender campaign and information group, were particularly concerned with the direction of the storyline, but after the first two months a trans advisor connected to Press for Change, Annie Wallace, was regularly consulted for eighteen months by scriptwriters and the actor, and trans groups appeared happier with the stories and scripts that resulted from this liaison. In an interview with Hesmondhalgh in August 2015, it was revealed that in tribute to Wallace, the writers gave Hayley's middle name as Anne, and gave her the same birthday, as well as a mutual love for rock music, especially Queen (band).[14] Wallace is now an actress in her own right, and appears as the character Sally St. Claire in the Channel 4 soap opera, Hollyoaks.

Transgender campaigners were initially upset that a cisgender woman had been chosen for the part but later praised Hesmondhalgh's dedication and sensitivity. Hayley was, for many viewers, the first transgender woman whose story they had seen unfold on TV. Hesmondhalgh has become an outspoken activist for trans rights, including becoming the first Friend of campaign group Trans Media Watch[15] and as Hayley, she has heralded a new level of acceptance among people across the country.[16] The official LGBT History Month website includes Hayley as one of the important famous LGBT people in their history, even though she is a fictional character"

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I don’t know, a lot of women at my dds school are very pro trans but I really don’t think the understand the true impact and basically think it’s all about fucking toilets a few of them challenged me on my facebook posts and stated pulling up bullshit about men being attacked just as much as women - it was really fucking bizzare !

Yes to Haley bloody Cropper

Leyat has given a complete explanation and thorough answer to your question op. Would you agree?

Also, Hayley Cropper was an absolute saint of a person. And fictional, of course.

I guess with Hayley as well, she was played by a woman, and not even a masculine looking woman, so of course people didn’t need a lot of persuasion to accept that she was a ‘real’ woman. Imagine if Hayley instead looked like Jane Fae for instance. Would everyone have been so dead cert that Hayley was a real woman then?

I agree, Prawn. In fact I can safely say that if I wasn’t on here, I’d be one of the 1000.
It’s terrifying, what’s happening in plain sight yet going largely unnoticed.

When it comes to Self ID, I'd be surprised if 1 in a thousand was actually aware of what's being considered and the issues it raises. I thought it was maybe 1 in a hundred, but have reconsidered after discussing it with family members.

@yokatsu Most Single sex spaces are not a hard won right for women, they were something enforced on woman by a patriarchal society.

Single-sex toilets were fought for by women so that we were not on the "bladder leash" and could go out for long periods in public. Refuges and Rape Crisis were created by women as female-only spaces. Women in refugee camps request sex-segregated toilets and washing facilities because they are raped using mixed loos. We need female-only spaces to survive and thrive.

Im totally at a loss why we are so desperate to hang onto them.

I can tell that you've never been raped, sexually assaulted, or flashed at. Had my primary school had single-sex changing rooms, I would not have been sexually assaulted aged eight. Having been woken up in the night by a man raping me once already, I would not want to share a youth hostel room or prison cell with a man because I would be scared that it would happen again. Men commit the majority of sexual assaults and women are the majority of victims, and only male-on-female rape can lead to pregnancy. It makes sense therefore to separate the sexes in some high-risk circumstances.

It is a conundrum for sure.
The vast majority of people oppose mixed sex facilities but support trans rights.
Could there be a misunderstanding here?
Survey says: YES!

but I’m no longer cavalier about giving away hard won rights for women more vulnerable than I am

I don't understand this [like, ever].

Why should we be cavalier about women who are less vulnerable? Or just as vulnerable? Or not vulnerable at all?

You do not have to be vulnerable to be attacked by a man. If we are saying that only vulnerable people need to be protected, what we do then is put all the rest of the women up for grabs - thus putting more women at risk and therefore increasing the number of women being attacked and who then turn into vulnerable women.

I'm always so delighted when people are incredibly generous with someone else's rights.
I get a nice warm glow in the same way you do when you're at a restaurant and the woman on the table next to you gives your dinner to their mate because she has already eaten.

No one has ever suggested removing access to toilets for trans-people ffs. But no one has the right to demand access to facilities designed for the opposite sex just because they feel like it.

Exactly. I mean, as a woman, I fall under a protected characteristic (sex). Can I demand to park in disabled spaces? I am guessing not. Having a protected characteristic doesn't make you entitled to use the facilities designed for another group with a protected characteristic.

The attitude of "it doesn't bother me, so it shouldn't bother anyone else" really annoys the hell out of me. How selfish and uncaring of others can you get

Yep

no I don’t believe anyone should have the right to deny access to a person based on a protected characteristic

No one has ever suggested removing access to toilets for trans-people ffs. But no one has the right to demand access to facilities designed for the opposite sex just because they feel like it.

The attitude of "it doesn't bother me, so it shouldn't bother anyone else" really annoys the hell out of me. How selfish and uncaring of others can you get?!

YY, personally I actually don't mind mixed toilets, for example. But I listen to other people's concerns and I hear them and I understand that my feelings are not the end of it. I understand that other people have real and genuine concerns. Just because I'm OK with it personally does not mean I dismiss those concerns.

Mind you, some of the more lib-femmy ones just stick their fingers in their ears

It's not just the lib-femmy ones. It's also the social justice warriors and those competing in the Woke Olympics.

It would be better to make the men's loo unisex

I don't quite understand your post. Are you saying that women should get a single sex space but not men? If it is what you're saying I disagree, both sexes deserve privacy and dignity.