People apparently support trans

bespin, ODFOD.

Monday morning, and I've already met my quota of dealing with passive aggressive GFs. I shall kick back and enjoy the rest of my week now.

72% of females support transwomen using female facilities

Makes me wonder why TRA spend so much time and energy on here. If the views here are a minority, why bother?

FloralBunting

yes still here still happy to present a alternative view and of cause the occasional sarky comment when people post obviously daft things. the world outside mumsnet is an amazing place filled with people who want to get along and make life work.

also yes the majority of people support trans rights in general but there are always going to be areas that do need to actually think about what that means. but I am optimistic that the world can move forwards together

And ROFL, also, for old times sake.

Oh, bespin, you still here, love? Enjoying the sniping from the sidelines much better than pretending to engage with the substance, I should think.

'lol'

thebewilderness

A number of establishments have maintained the privacy and dignity of men's loos while making the women's loo mixed sex.

you have forgotten trans men exsist again havent you lol

olympic level gaslighting

wouldn't want to compete against cassie in that event!

Indeed, if someone is happy to impose their will on their own children in that way I can't wait to see how they talk to the women here!

Oh god. I've just realised who cassie brighter is.

Cassie made cassie's children call cassie 'mom', despite the fact that cassie's children will know damn well that cassie is their father

so i think we can all be fairly clear about cassie's position on fairness for anyone who isn't cassie

AAK, in my house, 'fun' is usually defined by how quickly your eyes glaze over as you are told lies and coerced into agreeing women's and girl's rights don't mean shit.

But I'm a Catholic, so, you know, we're a bit weird.

Won't that be fun?

Define "fun".

Thanks R0wantrees I'll give it a read. Really keen to find out more as boy what a tricky situation this all is.

ah. Maybe if eCassieBrighter doesn't give a fuck about fairness for women and girls maybe CassieBrighter should state that up front and then we can all understand where CassieBrighter coming from?

I think CassieBrighter has thought this through thoroughly. They even have an article that you can read all about their thought processes (or click on a link that basically says "Fuck of T*" if you think they are talking shite).

Presumably Cassie is here to educate and inform readers about themselves. Won't that be fun?

Like everything the key is how they phrased the question.

There are a lot of women that would draw the line at penis, if penises aren't in the question there is no clarity about what is being said.

I'm thinking people support trans women because it is the decent thing to do?

what do you mean?

because 'supporting transowmen' is meaningless

do I support their right to a peaceful life free from discrimination?

of course

do I support their right to compete in sport as women, thereby depriving women and girls of the opportunity to participate fairly and safely in competitive sport?

nopey nope nope

How about turning on your critical faculties CassieBrighter and thinking this through?

I'm thinking people support trans women because it is the decent thing to do?

ScreamLikeYouMeanIt

A lot of people have found this thread useful when wanting to understand more and the wider consequences etc:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

I notice that Pinky has added "old" to the list of characteristics that people are likely to object to someone sharing spaces with them having. Sam whatever who wrote the ridiculous article wherein the children were scolded for not wanting to call the person they'd formerly known as their father their mother also mentioned elderly women (along with disabled women) as apparently being likely to inspire horror in other women in shared changing rooms etc.

Personally I can't think of anyone who would seem less threatening than an elderly woman, other than perhaps a small child. It's interesting that this seems to be part of the new TRAs attempt to frame objections to penises in women's spaces as unreasonable.

starzig, I'm sure if someone had malicious intent, the sign above the toilet would be very useful to indicate which toilet they would find their preferred victim in. If they were allowed to go in unchallenged, so much the better, eh?

Thanks R0wantrees I've moved it across there. I'm still very new to learning more about transactivism from a feminist standpoint and previously I would have had no question answering positively to that question. However like many have said, I did assume it would be majority fully converted transsexual or those in the process of doing so. Now that I realise this is a small part of it and that it opens itself upto any tom, dick and harry who are self-IDing, I am more more unsure of where I stand.

True starzig. But why make it easier for them to cross a boundary, why make it impossible for them to be challenged. And aside from which many women want their own private space for changing etc because they just don't feel comfortable around male bodies, for whatever reason. Why should their trauma be considered less than trans trauma?

No idea ifnthat one report is true or indeed any such reports are.

But as probably already mentioned.

Many do not realise what is going on or the implications of the current trend.

Many are also scared to speak out. When I first made clear some of my concerns I most definitely lost a friend. Felt ganged up by another - who I think actually agreed with me.....

Men aren't bothered by trans men. I should think that's because they don't face the same risks as women do. I can't see how they would be as concerned at a biological female in their space or competing against them.

Would be more interesting to see how gay men feel about being told they must have sex with a male vagina or be called transphobic.....