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Scottish schoolkids to be taught to ‘choose their own gender’ in class

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Tinycitrus · 05/08/2018 15:58

According to The Sun: It says that children need to “learn about what we mean by gender, that this is different from the sex we are assigned at birth”, and that “gender is about how we see and present ourselves in the world”.

Here

I’ haven’t seen the new guidance but it will
Become part of the Curriculum for Excellence and is aimed at children between five and nine.

It doesn’t make sense to me. Apparently it starts off explaining to children that girls and boys can all play football and cry etc (hurrah!)

But later will talk
About how we aren’t necessarily the gender we are assigned at birth.

But that doesn’t make sense. If we start out saying that gender stereotypes don’t matter because girls and boys can play football then what is the point of telling children they can choose a gender?

Surely the point is that there IS NO SUCH THING AS GENDER rather than reiterating the stereotypes but tell little kids that they can choose?

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LassWiADelicateAir · 05/08/2018 16:54

I have never understood the love displayed on here for Mhairi Black. It's as if being able to swear equals being intelligent. She seems pretty useless as an MP- her attendance and voting record at Westminster is one of the worst of all MPs. However if you think she will side with you on this you are mistaken (unless of course she gets orders from SNP high command to change her mind)

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/mhairi-black-scotland-made-great-11929259

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Tinycitrus · 05/08/2018 16:53

Yes as there is no link to the guidance I wonder if it is referring to the existing trans guidance adopted by local authorities.

The article reads as if this is being officially embedded as part of CfE.

So not new then?

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YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 16:52

You know what is really depressing? That googling “Mhairi Black gender identity views” brings up one article about her comments on trans rights and a swathe about her using the word cunt while recounting misogynistic abuse in parliament and being shocked about it!

placemats · 05/08/2018 16:50

If trans women are indeed women, and trans men are indeed men, then why bother with trans rights?

VickyEadie · 05/08/2018 16:47

Mhairi Black has indeed swallowed the kool aid, sorry.

She seems to have. I know that she does say that if she'd been born later and to less sensible parents she'd probably have been one of the kids persuaded they're trans, but she was at Glasgow pride wearing a 'trans rights are human rights' t shirt.

Not that I would argue with that sentiment per se, but we know that the people pushing the notion don't just mean 'the same human rights as everyone else'.

silentcrow · 05/08/2018 16:46

Mhairi Black has indeed swallowed the kool aid, sorry.
How very disappointing.

placemats · 05/08/2018 16:46

Well for starters no person, unless the sex is indeterminate which is a private and serious matter, is assigned a sex at birth. Being intersex is a serious condition with life long consequences for the baby born intersex.

Secondly, if children are being taught to choose their own gender would not the change of name then follow?

It's a nonsense. Utter nonsense. I hope no tax payer's money is spent on this utter shite.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 16:44

SetPhasersTaeMalkie I’m hoping it is the case. Although the new guidelines in some Scottish LAs (my own included) about self ID were a real worry, and still are!

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:43

That was my thinking too Hen. About the Sun I mean.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:41

Or, not of anything like it.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:40

Hi Leia. No I've not seen the pack of anything like it.

No training, as far as I know, has been planned.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 16:39

Has she? I’m really disappointed with her, she’s not usually so gullible.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:38

Thanks for the links.

MorrisZapp · 05/08/2018 16:38

Mhairi Black has indeed swallowed the kool aid, sorry.

LeiaTheSlaya · 05/08/2018 16:38

Set, if you are a teacher, have you been given the above guidance pack, and been asked to follow it? Are you aware of any group or training materials or sessions arranged for your school?

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 16:36

I’m now wondering if the Sun have found the guidelines on supporting trans children, and the legal case being mounted currently to prevent parents being informed if their child identifies as trans and got a bit confused?

I mean the Sun isn’t exactly a reliable source of information.

LeiaTheSlaya · 05/08/2018 16:36

It's likely connected to this organisation

https://www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/media/1344/supporting-transgender-young-people.pdf

https://www.lgbtyouth.org.uk

They have apparently received grants over the next 3 years, and I'd be guessing this is funding this sort of thing. Given that the Scottish government themselves have back peddled on endorsement of their school guidance pack, you have to wonder why they are still funding an organisation that disregards safeguarding policies in their "guidance".

I'd be asking my child's school if they are including this material in their curriculum, who is providing the information & training to the schools, and asking for my child to be excluded, or remove them from school when this is happening.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:35

I am a teacher. 😁

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:35

I've had a quick look on the Education Scotland web site and can't see anything that reflects the contents of the article.

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Tinycitrus · 05/08/2018 16:34

I’ve found d lots of guidance on supporting transgender pupils but no specific teaching materials.

A teacher would probably know where to look.

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Tinycitrus · 05/08/2018 16:33

I’ve been googling but can’t find it. I don’t know what the materials are called - The Sun doesn’t say.

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SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 05/08/2018 16:29

Is there a link to the lesson plans/new guidelines other than the Sun report? I'd be really interested to read it.

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Tinycitrus · 05/08/2018 16:23

I desperately wanted a Scalextric aged nine. I used to wish for one every birthday (never got one)

Maybe I’m a boy?

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/08/2018 16:22

Your gender is what you decide

Oh if only! They saw my genitals at birth and forcibly gendered me feminine, teaching me I was second class, weak, submissive and should be pretty to please men. No way would I have chosen that patriarchal bollocks.

YeTalkShiteHen · 05/08/2018 16:20

I had ghostbusters trainers as a kid! Apparently they were boys trainers but I gave not one shit, they had Slimer in glow in the dark print on the side Grin