organ transplant discussion on lbc right now

See current thread discussing lobbying & threat to sue NHS if trangender people are not granted parity of fertility treatment available (in principle) to cancer patients:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3326933-NHS-told-give-trans-patients-equal-access-to-fertility-service

But it's the NHS that runs the organ donor register. No other country would know whether you were on it or not. Plus I doubt other countries would want British organs because of BSE.

heresy I just looked the Trans Pregnancy Group up. They are researching pregnancy in trans men, ie biological females. I don't really have an issue on this being researched and money being spent and it's worth noting that they are sociologists, so their work will not involve any live tissue or anything, just reading books and talking to people.

On a side-note, I have seen Sally Hines (the principal investigator) on twitter and she doesn't seem terribly bright (evidenced partly by her obvious confusion between the words principal and principle but more so about her comments on 'TERFs').

Gosh, that sounded quite Sweeny Todd, written as baldly as that. Unintentional, sorry

Placemats, I could be wrong but you'd only be considered for organ donation in your home country anyway, no? Its not like you'd be chopped up for organs if you died in Jamaica. They'd bring you home.....and you'd not be fresh enough to be a donor. Donated organs are donated within minutes of death.

Transplantation of organs is a replacement of organs already in the body.

Implantation is different and rarely works.

And then this is definitely when biology is REAL. Usually the match is sexed and aged.

Many countries now have banned surrogacy.

In case I die elsewhere other than in NHS England. Lass

No one should be getting a transplant of any of my organs due to a congenital condition that wouldn't be obvious.

I'm not going to live until my 90s that's for sure.

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Another cross-post for reference:
The Trans Pregnancy Group that I posted about earlier are a part of Leeds University and are being sponsored by the UK Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC)? Their main focus is supposed to be on transmasculine people and non-binary individuals (formerly known as females).
The speaker mentioned in their Tweets appears to be separate to this group, though, and researching at Liverpool University for a PhD in transgender reproductive rights.
The point is, these are not just "some crazy people on Twitter."

We should not be scaremongering about making people go off the organ register, but we have to be realistic and LISTEN to what trans activists are saying so we can carefully consider our own positions.

Would they object to their uterus being transplanted into a woman who was born without one, or whose uterus was non-functioning?

I have objected to that. If the rules change so that everyone is automatically opted in I need to re- register that as a specific opt out I will do so.

The points being made by the OP are very dubious and look like malicious scare-mongering.

I'm going to opt out anyway, just in case

Just in case of what?

I will stay opted in with the same exception I have always had of anything which could be used for assisted conception. I have always felt very strongly that I did not want a child being created which was biologically or genetically linked to me but where I had had no involvement in or say in its conception.

My objection to that applies equally to potentional biological female recipients or trans women recipients. Any other organ, I don't care who gets it.

I can't donate my organs so I'm fine.

I'm going to opt out anyway, just in case.

There needs to be some sort of set up whereby donors can opt out of having some organs used in some ways

There is. I opted in decades ago and opted out for anything which could be used for assisted conception purposes.

Surely you don’t opt out of the whole thing, you just make sure your family know that your uterus is not for donation?

When I registered I opted out of the use of any part of my body which could be used for any assisted conception purposes. It would not matter now given my age but I made it clear that my ova could not be used.

There needs to be some sort of set up whereby donors can opt out of having some organs used in some ways

There is, you idiot.

However, this doesn't mean that I agree philosophically with opting out of the organ-donation register purely based on such a hypothetical scenario. Already there are nuances like choosing not to donate corneas, etc, that can be added to someone's preferences. Organ-donation is lifesaving and important.

Nobody is going to be implanting wombs into men any time soon. What IS important and DOES need discussion is why these demands are being made, how this small vocal group of activists see women as objects to be used and harvested and how this trampling of women’s rights is happening across multiple fields at once. That’s the important stuff. What this shows up about their views of women.

As always, you say it better than I can. I also think we should be really listening to what the TRAs are saying - because we can see how quickly the conversation has moved and the demands have increased. TRAs are very very effective, and it would not surprise me at all if cross-sex uterine transplants come up as a possibility sooner than one expects.

Claire, you sound frightened. Or you're trying to stir the pot. If its the former, I can reassure you that you will always always always be allowed, legally, morally and medically, to be buried with all your organs intact. Its called opt out because you can opt out. If its the latter,perhaps it's time to call it a day.

They may well be threatening that Claire - but it's a threat to ignore, and certainly not one to revoke organ donation over. They can't do anything with said uterus, so until that medical procedure is close to reality, in 30 years to never, I wouldn't worry too much over it.

If you can show me evidence of a womb transplant being performed on a biological male I would be interested.
As someone said, the womb is connected to other organs- it’s not a self-contained incubator that can just be shoved into someone abdominal cavity. How do you imagine that a male body would know what to do with it, how to grow a placenta, how to release the correct amount of nutrients to sustain a baby? It’s impossible. You may as well stick a plastic bag in there. Total and utter fantasy.

Well stop threatening and demanding things from women. We're pretty much used to dealing with it, and our default response tends to be withdrawal as so few other options are available to us; so why are you surprised?

Well if they are they are idiots. It’s not possible so why the hell does it matter if some TRAs make some totally ridiculous claim? Also what evidence do you have for women opting out of organ donation?

sociopath yes, we were told very little about the man who donated, just his age and where he was from. We were always extremely grateful and humbled that after his death his family chose to help other people live.

Sorry Claire, but you started a thread encouraging gender critical women to call in to a live radio show and explain why they were withdrawing their consent for organ donation (utterly vital) over fears that TRAs will 'snatch their uterus' for a medical procedure that is likely impossible, and at the very least decades away from reality, as you do admit. Even your language is inflammatory - no tw will be able to 'snatch' an organ from a dead woman (your word quoted).

If you are GC, find a better battle to take on, this one isn't it. If we'd all done as you'd encouraged in your OP we would have come across as hysterical, unreasonable fear-mongers. Not a great look for feminists.

I know its less abstract for me as I've seen it once, and am watching it right now. But I've never been on the other end, the donor's family end. That end breaks my heart and I have so much gratitude and love for the family who saved my cousins life. How can I not do the same, when the time comes?