organ transplant discussion on lbc right now

Also agree with Lass. While it is very sad for women who have had a hysterectomy to not be able to carry a baby, nobody has an absolute right to a child and we should be focusing our efforts and money on curing diseases like cancer and HIV rather than transplanting wombs.

I have said I would not donate reproductive organs or tissue to anyone- natal woman or trans woman or trans man. I feel strongly that science has already pushed reproductive assisted conception too far

I'm with Lass on this one.

I am a huge supporter of organ donation and am glad they are switching to an opt out system as it is a proven way of increasing the number of donors.
I wouldn't mind donating my uterus to a woman who had had a hysterectomy.
I can't see it ever being possible to implant it into a male transwoman.

Aaah and to think Jane Fae went to Oxford.... I presume they will also obtain ovaries and can then fertilise their own eggs.
Oh and no a fully intact penis is not a vagina so I cannot consider what trans women have now to be one, although it seems Jane has had genital-removal surgery.

Wombs AND uteruses?

On a lighter note, to break the tension a little, here is the fragrant Jane Fae's opinion on womb transplants.

And the little ditty this sentiment inspired

All I want is a womb somewhere

What they communicated, generally, was a queasiness at the thought that their body parts might be misappropriated for the furtherment of a totally unnatural and disgraceful experiment on innocent foetuses/neonates

Yes and I would say that to any natal woman contemplating uterus transplant or implant.

Nobody is saying that Delendaest.

I have said I would not donate reproductive organs or tissue to anyone- natal woman or trans woman or trans man. I feel strongly that science has already pushed reproductive assisted conception too far for natal women. This is not life - saving technology.

I am happy to donate any other organ or tissue.

I’m glad you’re on the organ donor register delenda - it’s a valuable thing to do. Do let your family know your wishes as well as family can of course override if they want.

Nobody is going to be implanting wombs Into men any time soon. Or ever. It’s medically impossible and ethically indefensible.

The thrust of this thread for me has been the objectification of women’s bodies and fetishisation of gestation over the needs of any actual child. I think that does need to be spoken about

But as I said, and many others have said, it’s not possible, will not be possible soon and should not be possible or permissible to implant a uterus into a male.

Delenda it's not about identity denial or making things harder for anyone. It is medically impossible to transplant a womb into a male body and I am pretty sure it always will be. Furthermore, nobody NEEDS a womb transplant in the way that they need a liver, kidney or heart transplant. It should not be made an NHS priority, even for women. There is no talk of it happening though and the entire thing is just absolutely ridiculous.

The whole thread was started by someone who is either monumentally thick or a troll or both. I agree that absolutely nobody should be put off organ donation- it is so vital.

Excuse me but no one said they wanted or intended to "make things difficult for the trans community". What they communicated, generally, was a queasiness at the thought that their body parts might be misappropriated for the furtherment of a totally unnatural and disgraceful experiment on innocent foetuses/neonates.

Nobody is saying they would opt out of donating life saving organs due to trans people.

I cannot believe that I have just been reading on a site named ‘Mumsnet’ - the which, one must presume, is used by at least some mothers of children - people saying they would opt out of organ transplants in order to make life harder for the trans community. I am a cis woman who believes passionately in equality for all women. Yet I would be happy to donate after death any part of my body to anyone who needed it. Yes, really. Even to bigots who indulge in identity denial.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/futurism.com/trans-reproductive-tech/amp/

mention of a child
l agree: if there was any thought for the proposed future child, why would one enter the child into an extremely dangerous experiment which could have lifelong consequences even if (very unlikely, at least in the first few years of trials) the child survived.

There is even more on the horizon with "organ swapping" between paired transmen and transwomen mentioned in the article below (though the wait for a compatible donor would be long.). Also mentioned is the prospect of organ culture which removes rejection by manipulating the iindividual's own cells. I believe this is an important future market, and I have heard that one of the wealthy individuals who promotes and funds the trans agenda has large shares in such a tissue engineering company.

Obviously a market is required, but there's no problem there with youngsters being recruited apace, and, as we know, puberty blocked organs are not ideally suited to SRS.

Yes, the glaring absence through all this is any mention of a child. The want for a child and the want to be a parent of a child.

Well exactly. Testicles will never be implanted not even with someone who has suffered testicular cancer in both testicles and though this is rare, it does happen.

Vaginal implants cannot happen.

Penile implants can't happen either.

Paris Lees will never experience pregnancy, which is sad for her but it's a biological fact it will not happen in her life time.

Well, as you say, it's a biological fact. I don't feel 'sad' that I am not able to impregnate a woman. If I was, I would really just have to get over it. Not start spouting about how I need to harvest a man's testes and shove them into my female body. Paris just demonstrates that this has gone waaaaay too far.

Paris Lees will never experience pregnancy, which is sad for her

I have no idea if Paris Lees is able to be a parent. There are many individuals and couples who dearly wish to have a child and can't for many reasons.

In these speculations about possible uterus transplants and pregnancy, I note the consistant absence of mention of the hoped-for child.

Paris Lees will never experience pregnancy, which is sad for her but it's a biological fact it will not happen in her life time. That's because Paris was born biologically male, even Paris admits this birth fact herself - otherwise I suppose she wouldn't be a transwoman.

(from the Cosmopolitan article) I think this is likely a widely hoped for future amongst the transgender community. It is definitely expressed:

"Although it wouldn't go to a trans woman who wanted to have a baby, my donation could help doctors learn more about the procedure, and, I hoped, lead to another clinical trial that would give trans women the ability to conceive. Although it wouldn't help my son directly—as a transgender man, he has a uterus, and probably won't want to carry a child, anyway—it was something I could do now to potentially help the trans community of the future."

Here a trans mans mother describes donating her uterus

Nothing to do with trans issues but I find that horrific. I wonder how many laboratory animals have been tortured and killed before they moved on to human trials. And for what? It's not as if the world is short of human beings.

SandysMam

All my children are organ donors. xx I'm hoping they live long and happy lives though.

I was asked 17 years ago if I would like to donate the placenta of my last child. I reminded them it probably wasn't a good idea. Twas a lovely organ, though not as beautiful as my gorgeous boy!

Here a trans mans mother describes donating her uterus
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cosmopolitan.com/health-fitness/amp21989512/uterus-transplant/