NHS told: give trans patients equal access to fertility service

Children who trans as early as mermaids want will not have nature sperm or ova to be able to be banked.

While girls are born with all their eggs, ova do not mature until part way through puberty. Most boys have sperm in semen by 13 but there isn’t a specific cut off age- it’s more to do with pubertal progression.

So a child who is, as mermaids advocate, given blocker pre onset of puberty then cross sex hormones will not have mature gametes to save.

YYY to all the above :(

Isn't it strange that the ECHR has never stepped in to decide that the postcode lottery of IVF and cancer treatments (plus many others lke joint replacement) are unfair and discriminatory.

Thanks for the clarification, miri1985.

Even though I confused the organisations, I still think it all stems from the idea that affirmation is a human right. A human right which appears to trump all other human rights.

On the BBC now: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45073576

A watchdog is threatening NHS England with legal action if it does not begin offering fertility treatments to transgender patients as standard.

Threats seem to be very standard in all of this.

This is crazy.

As highlighted above, either these children are or are not capable of fully understanding the consequences of the decision that they're making. This illustrates once again that of course they ARE NOT.

Nobody actually has the right to have children, IMO (I am infertile and have no children myself, so not being a hypocrite here). This is another delusion being encouraged in vulnerable children by adults who should bloody well know better - that whatever you want in life, you can just have, science and the NHS will deliver.

Yes I think the nhs will soon start to ration ivf and this will speed up that decision.

Locally my Gp surgery have stopped doing ear syringing. The receptionist quite clearly told me the local commissioning body has stopped paying them to do it so they’ll no longer do it. They’ve stopped funding it as it’s not considered a medical necessity. I have small, waxy ears which frequently get blocked to such an extent that it makes me feel dizzy and sick and affects my balance. So I now have to pay privately.

I don’t mean to compare ear syringing to ivf treatment but just showing it as an example of how commissioning groups are looking at stuff. For how much longer will they say ivf is a medical necessity?

Wait until the trans children change their minds in a few years and sue the NHS for allowing to them to do this - that will destroy the NHS.

I agree that this will be the end of all fertility services.

Additionally, as others have mentioned, fertility treatment on the NHS is not super well-organized for anyone, whether you are trans or not.

NHS fertility services are already severely rationed, with age limits, cycle restrictions and exclusion criteria. Success rates are also highly variable and not guaranteed. We have friends who moved across the country to a region where they would be eligible for 3 cycles if IVF (limited to 1 here, stricter age criteria too). I know another couple who had no luck after 10 cycles, which all but bankrupted them. Why on Earth are we allowing these young people to be sterilised? When I think about the hoops DH & I had to jump through to get DH’s vasectomy, checking we understood the implications etc (after 2 kids!), it amazes me how casually we are sterilising trans children.

I also work in the NHS. We do as told, we don't just set policies and commission services willy nilly. My prediction is that this will have a devastating affect on the fertility services available full stop. Waits are long and services more limited as it is. This will shove it over the edge. Things like this are never funded centrally and regardless of that we are at a point where we don't have the manpower either. A lot of medics are working extra hours to plough through waiting lists and there is only so much time in a day.

Sunday Times article as well:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-must-offer-fertility-services-to-trans-patients-fqqlsnflz?shareToken=8a142908af80efd7fcf2624a71ceb5e1

I must be thick because I'm not understanding this at all. So young boys transing to female need the option to preserve sperm? Should be fairly simple unless they have been on puberty blockers. We know for eg Jazz Jennings had underdeveloped equipment courtesy of puberty blockers and no sexual urges. So presumably not possible to provide that sperm sample. Nor would it be, surely, before the puberty blockers at age 11 or so because they haven't been through puberty yet.
Conversely young women transing to men? Well I don't see how you can do egg collection prior to puberty and it would be shocking treatment to put a child through. Puberty blockers presumably knock off the option after.
That leaves slightly older teenagers planning to go on T. I think going through the egg collection treatment would be extremely triggering for them. The hormones to stimulate egg production, transvaginal scans for monitoring and retrieval.
What am I missing?

That is one goal, to switch to a corporate medicine model. There is also the rolling back of women's rights, and the legalization of pornstitution as goals.

bluescreen your post doesn't make sense. Can you explain?

Where will this all end?

I occasionally lurk on these boards not outright gender critical, just me sitting here with my own views sort of thing. Anyway what's just hit me is, is this what this is all about? Is the reason this whole agenda getting such attention, the government bending over backwards to accommodate etc, is it all to crucify the NHS?

So a child undergoing hormone treatment for GD isn't able to fully comprehend the implications of what they're doing? And the decision needs to be taken for them to think about fertility protection? But apparently they are competent enough to make a decision about the hormone treatment in the first place?

How, in any way possible when logic is involved, is that not utterly batshit crazy?

Erm, no, not batshit crazy because no one identifies it as batshit crazy.

But yes. Crazy to want your own friends, music, family....

"But it isn’t realistic to expect a child to want to be able to have their own children, so it’s up to the parents to say ‘we need to preserve that option for them’ so that, when they get to an age when they do want to start thinking about it, at least then they have the choice"

So a child undergoing hormone treatment for GD isn't able to fully comprehend the implications of what they're doing? And the decision needs to be taken for them to think about fertility protection? But apparently they are competent enough to make a decision about the hormone treatment in the first place?

How, in any way possible when logic is involved, is that not utterly batshit crazy?

I think this would mean egg collection & storage, some anticipate surrogacy

A trans man who is a biological female probably doesn’t need ivf - just sex during a fertile period.

I think this would mean egg collection & storage, some anticipate surrogacy There are quite a lot of youtube videos with this being discussed:

This will either be the end of the NHS or the end of all fertility treatment on the NHS.

I work for the NHS, it couldn’t even begin to financially cope with this.

However. This article to me reads like trans activists are now blaming the NHS for not doing enough for fertility preservation.

I agree heresyandwitchcraft, I think some are gearing up for the eventual backlash of young people bring transed by blaming the NHS for not doing enough to help preserve their options when in reality a large percentage will have been on puberty blockers before any viable gametes could form. All the blame for all this will fall at the NHS' door for not gatekeeping enough

I can't with Mermaids....