Transing dead people.

Agh my phone is making me look like ignorant .

Lewes

And George Eliot.

Oh yes, she was definitely trans. And it’s recently come to light that G. H. Lewis was actually Georgianna Henrietta.

Ah, thank you. Non binary winds me up no end. I have young relatives who are very into all this

• it seems to be a way for young straight people in heterosexual relationships to be interesting because he occasionally wears eye liner and she's worn a tie. I seem to remember that was beyond tame in the 80s but none of us claimed victim status for our brave and stunning non-conformity!

It is the sound the abbreviation NB for non binary makes.
I think there is a name for that but I do not know it.

Floral, yes, the MRAs could have written the TRA playbook for them! I was getting very angry earlier about that - wondering why people just can't see that all these smug men insisting on lady brains and feelings instead of biology are just reinforcing all the damaging stereotypes that were used to oppress us. I think it was Mr Lord who set me off. That a privileged man with all his contacts and special societies can just announce that he is "they" but change nothing and then merrily drive a coach and four through our rights...

Enby is a new one for me!

The explanation for posthumously transitioning Joan of Arc was that any woman who accomplished anything throughout history must have been trans because a quick glance at history proves that women never accomplish anything.

Sorry, the title of this thread just insists that I re-write some dialogue from the Sixth Sense. Apologies for any offense - this is meant as a joke.

TRA: I see trans people.

Other person: In your dreams?

[TRA shakes zer head no]

Other person: While you're awake?

[TRA nods]

Other person: Trans people like, historically? They're now in coffins?

TRA: They walked around like regular people. They didn't see each other. They only saw what they wanted to see. They don't know they're trans.

Other person: How often do you see them?

TRA: All the time. They're everywhere.

Alice, this is why Feminists make the obvious connection between MRA stuff and TRA stuff.

Like 'cis'. Insisting that the only way a woman doesn't 'identify' with her oppression is if she is actually a 'he' or an 'Enby'. If a woman is a woman simply because of her biology, and doesn't sit in the corner sewing meekly, she is a problem and unacceptable.

That's why this insistence that 'woman' is a shifting constellation, submissive, hesitant, fragile and delicate is so horribly oppressive and wrong.

Because you either submit to the control, or you forfeit your woman-ness. You are simply not allowed to do anything else. And if you do manage it in your lifetime, they will cheerfully fuck you over in death. Ghouls.

Here's the thread from Twitter, I hope it's ok to post.

twitter.com/thejeffreymarsh/status/1025586838650740736

If you've seen Nanette by Hannah Gadsby (on Netflix; it's wonderful). She talks about how a fan wrote to her to tell her she needed to come out as trans. Except she isn't trans, she's a butch lesbian.

I really worry that women who aren't feminine are somehow being reclassified as men, or needing to be men. I cannot understand how liberal, progressive minded people can in all seriousness uphold these rigid gender binaries. It is total nonsense.

And applying this understanding to the dead who cannot speak for themselves is shameful.

Julian Eltinge?! He was male and never said any different. If anything he was a gay man. Not that he was open about that in the 1910s and 20s...he went to great lengths to establish his male credentials when not performing, getting into fights, being a boxing fan, being photographed with women etc. He was a fascinating figure and a pioneer but he wasn't trans! Or non-binary, given that that's not a concept anyone in c. 1917 would have recognised.

Oh, this is infuriating. Do you reckon they'll go after gay men next? Because they've already nudged lesbians out and this is definitely shots fired at the bisexual community. How fucking dare they.

It is homophobia/biphobia and misogyny.
A TRA bingo card full house.

We found quite a few on the other thread (I mentioned the hundreds of women who disguised themselves and fought in the American civil war).

Depressingly, the idea is that any woman who rejected stereotypes and aimed for a degree of independence, must be male. Not that this provided her with a cover in oppressively patriarchal society. No, she was literally male whereas the true lady types were happy to sit home and sew samplers and simper.

I believe Louisa M Alcott has been subject to the same because she wished for the freedoms afforded to men (so made comments about how much better life as a man would have been) and created a heroine with a similar view.

It makes me feel quite ill. So disrespectful.
Here is a recent thread for reference
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305890-Historically-Claiming-People-as-Trans

Do you have a link to this chap’s specific tweets?

I mainly wear trousers and I can't wear high heels.

Am I trans now? Non binary? A cross dresser?

Why aren't women who wear trousers seen as cross dressers?

Can I get special unicorn cookies?

I don’t always agree with MNers on trans issues but this is one where I will hold my hands up and admit to having done this in the past and now seeing that it’s wrong (for example talking about James Barry as a trans man in a speech years ago). Everyone has the right to define themselves and you can’t make assumptions about people after they’ve died.

There have been times throughout history when men made a concerted effort to erase women from the written record.
We are witnessing one of those times.

it's almost like they've got no fucking clue what being a woman means and think it's just about what you wear and being sexually submissive

This is now the 'moment' in focus on Twitter.

Propaganda, much?

It's so bloody rude

isn't it though?

It just lays bare all that transgender ideology - girls are like this, boys are like that, so if you're like that god made a mistake, but don't worry, take this pill and we'll get a doctor to turn your upside down flower the right way around!

then everyone will be conforming to gender stereotypes and the genderists will be so happy!

remember to keep smiling everybody!!

It’s like the Mormons baptising dead people.

God, this is one of my hot buttons. Because it really is saying, if you don't act a certain way, you aren't really a woman.

It's so bloody rude.