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Julie Burchill on Brighton transpride and nonbinary affectation

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2rebecca · 04/08/2018 12:41

Will post link below as can't remember how to do it when starting threads. I heard she was at the recent Women's Place event in Brighton, she mentions it but wrote this before the event. Would be interesting to hear what she thought of that too. I love a bit of Julie Burchill. Totally agree with her.

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jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 18:06

Good points TacoLover

I suspect the article was shared simply because Julie Burchill is gender critical and the digs at gay men and bisexual women were brushed over.

At least her platform has been reduced to Spike online and nobody takes her in the slightest bit seriously.

TacoLover · 06/08/2018 17:42

People saying that Julie often writes provocative things in her articles doesn't mean that people can't be upset by/disagree with some of the things that she writes; you're allowed to be annoyed at Julie for saying that gay men have no reason to celebrate their sexuality at Pride, for suggesting that gay men never face discrimination in modern society because homosexuality is legal and they're represented in some creative industriesHmm

As I said, wouldn't it mean the same thing to say that women can't complain about sexism because sex is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act and we're represented in teaching and nursing? Bet nobody would be defending someone if they said thatConfused

Jaxhog · 06/08/2018 17:24

How refreshing! I particularly liked the 'misogyny in drag' comment. Sums it up nicely in my experience.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/08/2018 17:22

It's always wise to stretch a bit before attempting a reach like that, maybe go for a quick round of yoga.

Ereshkigal · 06/08/2018 17:18

Bit of a reach there? Don't put your back out.

jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 17:16

A lot of people say Donald Trump was taking the piss with his locker room talk.

I guess it depends on how much you care about those having the piss taken out of them.

Ereshkigal · 06/08/2018 17:12

I think taking the piss is the ultimate crime in pomolandia, particularly when you point out how bloody serious and humorless the people who reside there are prone to being.

They really are.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/08/2018 16:38

Maybe we should ask Connie Booth for her opinion...

jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 16:34

Also trying not to laugh here

AngryAttackKittens · 06/08/2018 16:34

I think taking the piss is the ultimate crime in pomolandia, particularly when you point out how bloody serious and humorless the people who reside there are prone to being.

LangCleg · 06/08/2018 16:33

Ok. I tried to read this and keep a straight face. I failed.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/08/2018 16:31

Not only have I had sex with men who wear eye makeup, I've put the makeup on them myself in some cases. So that makes me mega-queer, right? Far more so than shagging women did...

ReluctantCamper · 06/08/2018 16:30

Is it wrong that I quite want some beef now?

ReluctantCamper · 06/08/2018 16:28

I'm a woman but wouldn't like to be compared to Rose West and Myra Hindley just because they are also women

Depends what the comparison is. If someone said that Myra hind let us a woman and I am a woman that would be completely true and accurate

It's then totally reasonable to look at the things that are the same among people in the group 'women' ( being of the sex class that produces eggs, being subjected to FGM in some cultures and so on)

ReluctantCamper · 06/08/2018 16:25

are you gay or bisexual?

I've had sex with a man wearing women's underwear and have just decided to identify as pansexual so by your argument above I'm now a fully fledged member of the queer community

Since what you identify as is more important than what you do

FloralBunting · 06/08/2018 16:12

When you find significant numbers of women saying Rose West and Myra Hindley either weren't really women or that what they did was a response to provocation then the comparison might work.

jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 16:09

Why can't people be judged as individuals?

I'm a woman but wouldn't like to be compared to Rose West and Myra Hindley just because they are also women.

TheCountryGirl · 06/08/2018 16:02

So we are imagining all the rape and death threats and the assault in Hyde Park? Was that a hologram of Tara Wood punching a woman?

jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 15:59

Sadly people often have beef with LGBT for who they are and not what they do.

In particular, trans people are judged on what people perceive they will do rather than what they actually do. Therefore they are being judged on who they are.

Pride is more important than ever imo.

FloralBunting · 06/08/2018 15:26

jasmine, as I said, not saying there's anything in that. Just happened to notice, and given that the scant support lesbians get these days (particularly the actual lesbians) it seemed a thing to notice.

I do like the phrase 'has beef with'. It's so riduculous.

hipsterfun · 06/08/2018 15:26

You don't hire Julie Burchill because you want an even-handed consideration of the issues. Her whole schtick is writing provocative pieces with a strong dollop of exaggeration, accompanied by lashings of humour, malice and caricature. There isn't much point trying to argue with any of it.

Well, quite. And some of us seem able to differentiate it from some sort of hate speech.

jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 15:24

Are you gay or bisexual OP?

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2rebecca · 06/08/2018 15:19

I don't think any one or anything should be given National Treasure status and considered above criticism or debate. Pride has become a corporate money making exercise in many people's eyes.
Just because you shouldn't be ashamed of something it doesn't follow that you should be proud of it.

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jasminemaya · 06/08/2018 15:19

FloralBunting JB has no beef with lesbians that's why we're not discussing it.

FloralBunting · 06/08/2018 15:15
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