Can Men Be Feminists?

Claire, women have CONSTANTLY told men how we feel, what we have experienced and how we have been abused, assaulted, raped...our sisters murdered at male hands.

But NOTHING changes. In fact, it gets worse. Sex crimes continue to rise, women continue to be abused and they continue to be murdered. And what do men do? They complain feminist women aren't doing ENOUGH to stop men from killing us.

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Claire, women have CONSTANTLY told men how we feel, what we have experienced and how we have been abused, assaulted, raped...our sisters murdered at the hands of some men.

But NOTHING changes. In fact, it gets worse. Sex crimes continue to rise, women continue to be abused and they continue to be murdered. And what do somemen do? They complain feminist women aren't doing ENOUGH to stop men from killing us

I am suspicious of any man who claims to be a feminist.
Those men who have recently claimed to denounce "toxic masculinity" and support feminism only to systematically push for our sex based rights to be destroyed.

They only women these men actually support are those with a penis.

We see them. That's why they hate us.

Where do you live that pub conversations are full of angry feminist mobs picking on sensitive kind men?

Nobody has a go at decent kind sensitive individuals simply because they are straight white men ever.

yes they do, constantly, even just in the course of normal conversations in the pub, I see it all the time, and I challenge it regularly.

its not on

“I have straight white male sons, friends and students. I have in the past had a straight white male father and brothers”

Lots of us do. Your point?

Nobody has a go at decent kind sensitive individuals simply because they are straight white men ever. Nobody would need to because they'd be doing decent, kind and sensitive things. Not sure what relevance being straight or white has to this discussion, could you possibly enlighten us?

Much like you are doing, in fact.

Claire, women have CONSTANTLY told men how we feel, what we have experienced and how we have been abused, assaulted, raped...our sisters murdered at male hands.

But NOTHING changes. In fact, it gets worse. Sex crimes continue to rise, women continue to be abused and they continue to be murdered. And what do men do? They complain feminist women aren't doing ENOUGH to stop men from killing us.

I know a number of decent kind sensitive men. One thing they all have in common is they all refrain from prancing about declaring themselves to be feminists and telling women they are doing feministing wrong, might be just a coincidence I suppose.

Grrr, then not them!

53rd Way 😂

it is sexist to say men can't be feminist

LOL. Poor men, they are having such a bad year.

I don't see anyone having a go at decent, kind, sensitive people (and all the men in my life are that or they wouldn't be in my life).

We're having a go at PP. If he's sensitive them I'm a unicorn.

and I hate seeing people constantly having a go at decent kind sensitive individuals

Where are you seeing this, exactly?

and I hate seeing people constantly having a go at decent kind sensitive individuals simply because they are straight white men, and are deemed to be somehow be fair game for sneering and put downs, and being constantly told " you couldn't possibly understand"

yes they can understand, just explain your experiences to them.

I have straight white male sons, friends and students. I have in the past had a straight white male father and brothers.

They are not a lesser breed!

They are frequently treated as if they were though

“I've done your lists before. You know where to find my answers.”

Easy for you to do a quick C&P.

Something else I have noticed is when men describe themselves as feminist, the most important things to them seem to be things that benefit men. For example, they will almost always be 'libfems' who are 'sex positive' and will yell 'swerf' and such at anyone who criticizes punters

They also seem to be 'feminism is about equality, what are feminists doing for men?!' type people.

So when a male describes himself as a feminist you get a small blast of misogyny, sexism, male entitlement and privilege in one. It makes me really uncomfortable that there are these young men claiming it. It is very arrogant. Decent men are supportive of women and girls and they work on themselves. They say things like 'I support feminism' or 'I do what I can, but i'll never really know what it's like to be a woman' etc.

Definitely agree with this.

I don't think I have ever met a man who was not sexist. Its ingrained, I think in some cases its something men might try to fight against all their lives but its still there.

And I view any bloke who outright states he is a feminist with suspicion, as I agree they tend to do it to mark themselves as 'different from other men'. And they do, from experience, turn out to be abusers fairly often. The most 'feminist' man I ever knew, by that I mean the one who always said the right things and masked himself very very well, turned out to be beating his wife behind closed doors, and sexually abusing her too.

Oh no, he negged our PA skills. Can a woman suffer any crueller blow?

we're not your PA

Thankfully.

I wonder if women and girls who were born and raised in western countries but who have been subjected to FGM feel oppressed. They're probably just revelling in their victimhood though.

Oh, I see, you want us to the work for you by searching all and everything you may have ever written that touches on Bertrand's list?

We're not your PA!

So challenging sexist language? What's your considered objection? You could even copy and paste...

I think my biggest observation

I don't care about your observation.

It seems that nobody else dos either.

Why are you so determined to tell women what they should be thinking?

Perhaps you should publish a compendium of your collected posts, PP, and then you could direct people to page references rather than merely telling us to search? We could chip in with some cover art suggestions.

But it is not just a gender pay gap is it? There are other inequalities that feed in to it. But if you want to go for the simplest form could you explain how it exists in a society where women are not oppressed?

Oh and it is sashh

To be fair Bertrand I wasn't going to bring any of those things up, you know I never do, I don't need to.

I only mentioned the midwives thing as an example, not as an argument (although it's perfectly valid)

I've done your lists before. You know where to find my answers.