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Paedophile expert warns of transitioning as a ploy

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BlytheByName · 02/08/2018 08:01

Sorry that it's the Sun, but this article succinctly highlights the danger of allowing sex offenders to transition.

Women are not seen as dangers to children in the same way men are so what a good idea to become one.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

The mother of a victim is calling for the law to prevent this.

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R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:33

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'

I completely agree MsB

Wanderabout · 02/08/2018 09:31

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'.

Absolutely this.

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:30

The suggestion that safeguarding concerns might be allayed if 'police have your new name' demonstrates a lack of awareness, experience & knowledge of how child protection actually works.

MsBeaujangles · 02/08/2018 09:29

Rowantrees

Picking up of LA tguidance to schools. English LAs use the same defence for not conducting EQIAs - that they expect schools to undertake them. However, apart from Cornwall, I have yet to see a policy that advises or even mentions EQIAs. In addition, the guidance is written in a manner that tells schools what they 'should do'.

Ultimately, what needs to be challenged, before anything else, is that exploring impact on others is not 'hostile towards trans people'.

Sorry if I am derailing the prison thread - just wanted to pick up on this point!

TimeLady · 02/08/2018 09:23

Gender dysphoria has been deemed a non-MH condition (by WHO and others) and it's clearly not a physical illness.

So why is 'treatment' available on the NHS? What sort of health issue is it?

TheOrderOfThePenis · 02/08/2018 09:21

"James Morton, of the Scottish Transgender Alliance, said: “Our understanding is that transitioning does not erase your past if you’re a sex offender.

“You have to give your new name to police. Trans people usually encounter greater suspicion. I don’t think it helps people blend in.”

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

Really powerful and convincing statements by James there.

The fucking arrogance of thinking you know best and that statements that rely on what you think and what you’re sure of is actually enough when we are talking about the safeguarding of children. Angry

I’ll need some actual evidence James, not your fucking best guess

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 02/08/2018 09:15

The BPS raised a similar concern in their written submission to the Trans Equality Enquiry wrt to convicted sex offenders expressing a wish to transition

MsBeaujangles · 02/08/2018 09:11

I do think that gender dysphoria exists and that some people who do not understand what is wrong with themselves, and do not access appropriate treatment, may act in harmful ways towards themselves and or others.

Therefore, it could be the case that those turning their emotions outwards could end up in prison, as is the case for many people with mental health conditions.

As a result, if transitioning is considered an appropriate treatment that is likely to reduce symptoms and improve behaviour management of those receiving a diagnosis of GD, I have no problem with it. I don't think anyone should be able to transition in prison as part of a lifestyle choice/part of identity expression.

Needles to say, I don't think that transitioning should result in anyone accessing prisons for the opposite sex and I very much doubt that anyone who has committed sex crimes against adults or children would receive gender dysphoria as an underlying diagnosis!

R0wantrees · 02/08/2018 09:04

clicky link to article:www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

(Extracts)
The con is desperate for a fresh start but child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

"[Margaret-Ann Cummings, a campaigner whose son was murdered by a convicted sex-offender] added: “It’s not unusual for sex offenders to want a new identity but this is the most disturbing case I’ve heard of.

“When someone, so soon after getting out of jail, is trying to change not just their name but their sex and appearance too, it sounds like they’re trying to hide rather than reform.”

Echoing her calls, child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Intresting to note that Claude Knight has commented.
She has recently retired after 15 years as head of Kidscape: www.kidscape.org.uk/news/2016/may/ceo-claude-knights-announces-her-retirement/]]

cf Claude Knight's comments and also her experience in Safeguarding and child protectionand knowledge with James Morton who is also quoted in the article:

"James Morton, of the Scottish Transgender Alliance, said: “Our understanding is that transitioning does not erase your past if you’re a sex offender.

“You have to give your new name to police. Trans people usually encounter greater suspicion. I don’t think it helps people blend in.”

James Morton plays a key role in advocating trans rights in Scotland:

Article June 2018 'Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action'
(Extracts)
"THE rights of Scottish schoolgirls are being undermined by rules allowing pupils to adopt a different gender and share changing rooms, it has been claimed, as it emerged schools are unprepared for the controversial overhaul.

A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.

The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account. (continues)

Among the councils which have endorsed the guidance produced by LGBT Youth and the Scottish Trans Alliance, Glasgow, West Lothian, Clackmannanshire and South Lanarkshire said they were unable to publish an assessment of the likely impact on other pupils as they had not carried one out. Edinburgh City Council failed to respond. The office of the Scottish Children's Commissioner, Education Scotland and the Scottish Government have all also backed the LGBT Youth guide.

Scotland's Children's commissioner said: "We did not undertake and therefore do not hold" any research looking at how other pupils might be affected by the guidance.

Education Scotland said it did not have any policies itself relating to transgender pupils and therefore "there has been no requirement for Equality Impact Assessments in relation any new or revised policies or procedures regarding transgender and non-binary school children."

The Scottish Government said it had not carried out any equality impact assessments and said the responsibility for carrying them out lay with councils. (continues)

James Morton, manager of the Scottish Trans Alliance, said EQIAs had generally not been carried out because the document distributed by councils was guidance, not an official policy.

"If it became an official policy position they should do an EQIA and I'm sure it would show that there isn't any negative impact on other pupils," he said.

He claimed critics hostile to trans people were presenting a distorted view of the guidance. "There has always been a very small number of people hostile to trans inclusion. They say they are concerned about the impact on girls but they are not just standing in the way for progress for trans people they are actively trying to roll back trans rights."

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

theOtherPamAyres · 02/08/2018 08:53

I think that the case of Chrystyl Knight needs to go in the Gender Critical Greates Hits evidence file.

A tax-payer funded new identity as a woman for a convicted paedophile. Words fail me.

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