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#ManFriday have rewritten the City of London Consultation - without bias

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SwearyG · 01/08/2018 16:24

And wouldn't you know, it's possible to do that, even when one holds a strong position on the subject. And it didn't take very long for us to write it.

Could you fill it in, and share with your friends so we can present our own evidence to counter whatever bilge the City of London comes up with.

here you go

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CorbynTrouserPress · 02/08/2018 10:41

Done it. I often visit Westminster government offices. Bloody hate the floor to ceiling partitioned gender neutral toilets they have. I'm a diabetic, if I have a hypo and collapse in a locked cubicle is anybody going to notice? It is an issue for me particularly in those offices as I've had to get up early to get there, then rushed across London and then been sat in a long, usually stressful meeting where I am being grilled and can't eat properly.

GaspingShark · 02/08/2018 08:53

No pun intended.

GaspingShark · 02/08/2018 08:52

I intend to be a politician so should be treated as one.
I intend to rule the world so should be treated as if I do.
I intend to get to peak fitness so should be treated as an award winning athlete
I intend to get a Phd so should be awarded a doctorate

Uh, we're talking about taking a piss. You might be overegging things.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 02/08/2018 01:45

The law has created special rights for a class of people the moment they express an intention to transition. They are then entitled to use whichever facilities they choose.
People should take the time to actually read the GRA and the EA. It will open your eyes.

If I could get legal protection and rights for everything I have said I'd like to do, Is be over the moon

I intend to be a politician so should be treated as one.
I intend to rule the world so should be treated as if I do.
I intend to get to peak fitness so should be treated as an award winning athlete
I intend to get a Phd so should be awarded a doctorate

The madness of this legislation plus its implementation ahead of any legislative change needs challenging on the basis of common sense and jurisprudence.

GaspingShark · 02/08/2018 00:46

In fact the original survey doesn't directly address inconsistent or non-binary identities, though the unisexification of facilities would cover it without trying to triangulate its users' identities.

#ManFriday have rewritten the City of London Consultation  - without bias
#ManFriday have rewritten the City of London Consultation  - without bias
littlbrowndog · 02/08/2018 00:31

Nice manly dudes !!

Clairetree1 · 02/08/2018 00:28

excellent

ChoccyJules · 01/08/2018 23:56

Done. My one comment about the original has led to me being found by trans campaigners on Twitter, called a bigot and blocked by one. New territory for me.

GaspingShark · 01/08/2018 23:53

I think you've misunderstood gasping. What they're pointing out is that both (services for men) or (services for women) would become open to non-binary identifying people if the proposals went ahead.

So it's not about unisex facilities?

Is it "Services for {men or women}" or "Services for {men} or {women}" ?

Was the term 'unisex' nixed?

MacaroonMama · 01/08/2018 23:49

Done! Thank you. My blood pressure remained the same throughout (this cannot be said for my blood pressure when filling out the dreadful original...)

UpstartCrow · 01/08/2018 23:39

That made so much more sense than the original.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 01/08/2018 23:38

Thank you manfriday. Done. Mentioned risks to safeguarding a lot.

catkind · 01/08/2018 23:34

I think you've misunderstood gasping. What they're pointing out is that both (services for men) or (services for women) would become open to non-binary identifying people if the proposals went ahead. That's correct yes? The part you quote was clarifying what the impact would be on currently single sex provision, all three parts of it, as regarding transmen, transwomen and non-binary/other gender respectively.
Services for (men and women) are unisex. There's a different question later about whether currently sex-segregated services should become unisex.

RaininSummer · 01/08/2018 23:26

Thank you ManFriday. Done.

thebewilderness · 01/08/2018 23:21

The law has created special rights for a class of people the moment they express an intention to transition. They are then entitled to use whichever facilities they choose.
People should take the time to actually read the GRA and the EA. It will open your eyes.

GaspingShark · 01/08/2018 23:20

You should have read the original survey!

I did, cheers.

The question implies that only people with ambiguous and/or non-binary gender ID will be able to access unisex facilities, so not cis people or consistently FTM or MTF trans people.

Come with me on the formal logic bus. You're all over the circular logic of "trans women are women." This is just a stop further really.

Agastache · 01/08/2018 22:59

What does "Services for men or women will be open to anyone who states that their gender identity is neither male nor female, or both, or sometimes one or the other" mean?

Precisely!

It is the new way of saying that some people are such broflakes, they don't know what gender they are likely to be at any one time, and as such are so special that nobody can tell them 'no' and how do you feel about that and by the way, nobody is allowed to say anything about it.,

You should have read the original survey! Word mince.

pombear · 01/08/2018 22:48

I just wanted to recognise the time and effort whoever it took to restructure this survey to be more balanced and open in the questioning.

(Most likely you were spreading out on your sofa and scratching your man balls whilst doing so)

Thank you, whoever you are within ManFriday, for spending the time to show what a more balanced survey looks like. Brew

GaspingShark · 01/08/2018 22:37

No, the third part of the question was about unisex facilities and is a muddle that implies they won't be open to men or women.

#ManFriday have rewritten the City of London Consultation  - without bias
#ManFriday have rewritten the City of London Consultation  - without bias
Rufustheyawningreindeer · 01/08/2018 22:09

Unisex means suitable for both sexes

The question was about people who think they are both (unisex) or neither or sometimes one or the other (unisex)

So it also covers people who are neither

Or at least thats how i read it

TheCountryGirl · 01/08/2018 22:07

Sorry...was quoting Shakespeare there! Not just a pretty face!😛

TheCountryGirl · 01/08/2018 22:06

It is so obvious I'm wondering why you cannot seem to see it? 'Seems, Madam? Nay, it is! I know not seems.' 🤨

The question is simply asking if you think men should be in one section and women in another. Ffs!!🤬

Voice0fReason · 01/08/2018 22:05

Excellent job chaps

catkind · 01/08/2018 21:57

Gasping, it means that non-binary identified people would be able to access all/any of the facilities. Seemed clear in context to me.

GaspingShark · 01/08/2018 21:35

GaspingShark it is clear to me! But then I'm used to using men and women to describe people

It implies that "Services for men or women" will not be open to men or women. It's written by callow idiots.

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