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Danish ban on the burqa comes into effect today

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placemats · 01/08/2018 11:39

The argument for and against seems to be

either: 'Strongly oppressive'

or: 'Discriminatory'

What's the difference between these two? Personally I welcome the ban.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/01/danish-burqa-ban-comes-into-effect-amid-protests

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placemats · 01/08/2018 11:56

I can't understand the cultural clash and integration issue at all.

Wearing the veil in public selectively marks them out as those women who are totally compliant to men.

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Hoppinggreen · 01/08/2018 11:54

I don’t really like to see women dresses like this as I’m concerned about coercion and the idea that women have to be covered rather than men shouldn’t look at them inappropriately
However, I’m also uncomfortable with the state telling people what they can wear

HollowTalk · 01/08/2018 11:53

I really wish it could be banned, but it would just create more problems overnight. This is exactly what happened in France and female students were immediately pulled out of school and not allowed out of the house. Before, they could get an education; now they can't.

FloralBunting · 01/08/2018 11:51

I think it's a delicate issue. The comparison with wearing a kippah or turban in public is ridiculous. The problem with the niqab in this context is that it is more than religiously identifying clothing, it's that there are certainly some women who are under considerable pressure to wear it.
Undoubtedly, there are many women who choose to wear it as a sign of their stronger piety, too.

But the difficulty with wearing a face veil in a western setting is that culturally, covering the face is seen as a negative thing - people wearing masks in public are rarely acceptable.

So this seems to be, at base, a difficulty arising out of a cultural clash, and therefore an integration issue.

LaSquirrel · 01/08/2018 11:50

I don't agree with the ban. These women are controlled enough by the be-penised in their lives. What it does is just force them to stay home.

I used to live in East London, high Muslim population. I could feel the eyes of the dudes boring into me for daring to be womaning in public without some kind of covering. I have an inkling of what they must face in coercion at home.

I used to have a silk scarve that doubled as a headcovering-umbrella when it rained. Noticeable difference in attitude towards me (even though, doing it for rain reasons, not religious/patriarchy compliance!)