Danish ban on the burqa comes into effect today

On the one hand I hate women told they can’t wear something but in this case I am all for the ban, and wish it was in place in UK. The more you see this (and in central London now you see it a lot) the more normal it looks, and I don’t ever want it to be normal.

This. I don't want it to be normalised, I support the ban.

I see a situation where people are of the view that female choices are only valued if they are choices that align with their idea of liberation

Neither nuns' habits nor hijabs align with my idea of liberation, Maisy, but I don't care if women wear them, because they don't prevent normal social interaction.

You and Saucery are being either obtuse or disingenuous, by pretending that this is about religious prejudice, or skirts or long-sleeved tops, or anything but niqabs and burqas - because they hide the face.

Bold fail but hey.

Denmark is awash with dogwhistle, anti-immigration, anti-Muslim laws and politics. This is just something that pretends to be about women but isn't. A bit like Tommy Robinson and the EDL going on about girls in Rotherham when he really is just interested in himself and being racist. THIS IS SO FUCKING TRUE!!!

From the police guidelines:
If the officer suspects that the person is under coercion, then the officer must assess whether there is reason enough to investigate further, and whether the person needs help and support eg if the person says they are forced to wear it.

My translation from the summary from DR which is danish bbc

Placemats where do you think is an appropriate nude sunbathing place?

Because you have just posted that you don't want to shop somewhere where men walk around in skimpy shorts.

Well Denmark you can walk around in skimpy shorts and nude sunbathing isn't going to be limited to a small place where the nudists do it. It's supposedly a country which stands up for choice!

But only choices they like. An articulate informed woman who chooses the niqab - well, she's made the wrong choice.

Denmark is awash with dogwhistle, anti-immigration, anti-Muslim laws and politics. This is just something that pretends to be about women but isn't. A bit like Tommy Robinson and the EDL going on about girls in Rotherham when he really is just interested in himself and being racist.

Deeply misogynistic views of women are not going to be changed overnight by banning face coverings.
I find the ‘Oh, not nuns, of gosh, we don’t mean nuns ! ‘ hilarious.
So much dismissed out of hand because it’s not Our Religion, not one we know of and are comfortable with.

I disagree with the law telling people how to dress but face coverings are different. I saw a few in London today and they do offens me. They should be banned because it is completely incompatible with our culture and values and represents a deeply offensive and misogynistic view of women.

And if men start covering their faces, that'd be ok then would it? I'd find it frankly terrifying.

This isn’t about Islam
It is the Saudi wahabi group that have got people on board with this.
Face covering hasn’t been Islamic until recently.

Personally I find burkas offensive. British women died for equality and these people are actively taking a step backward by signifying their subordinate status through their dress. IMO anything that signifies women are second class citizens should be illegal.

If you want to carry on as if you haven't left off you shouldn't have moved

What about refugees? Should we just say they shouldn't have moved?

Or women being able to make their own choices about what they wear?

In Denmark people would be up in arms to defend your right to sunbathe naked in the city park but apparently the world will cave in if one woman walks about with her face covered

Quite frankly if I walked down the high street wearing a thong and a bra, I think the police would be called.
Of course they wouldn't be called!

if you want to live in Denmark then live like Danish people. If you want to carry on as you are then you shouldn't have moved
To go nicely with other posters comparing women to tents.

Let's go the full way and start talking about "British Values" and keeping Britain British whilst we're at it. All these people living in our country with their customs. It's political correctness gone mad.

Do you really see no difference between a burga /niqab which turns a person into a faceless , walking tent and the other examples of clothes.

I see a situation where people are of the view that female choices are only valued if they are choices that align with their idea of liberation, hence why it's pick n mix on religious clothing and face coverings.

I don't believe women should be forced to cover up beause of sexist views of women. I also don't believe that they should be forced not to cover up because anotjer group of people have decided what's best for women. In both situations people are deciding what they think is best for women.

I'd happily have it so that to access certain services people must have their faces visible (Muslim women who cover are cab uncover in the presence of women so have female staff around).
I feel hugely uncomfortable with the idea that one line of telling women what to do is oppressive, only to replace it with another rule about how women should dress.

Police uniform? Nazi uniform? Klu klux clan hood? A mask? Only a thong?

All societies have cultural norms when it comes to clothing. I think it's fine for western societies to as well. I don't want to live in a society where its ok for people to hide their faces. I find it imtimidating. And I hate the message that veiling conveys - hide your sinful face women to avoid tempting men.

What it seems to me is, if you want to live in Denmark then live like Danish people. If you want to carry on as you are then you shouldn't have moved

I find it odd to hear arguments all for women's choices, except the ones that people don't agree with. 'Oh It's not that I have an issue with Islamic dress... nooo, just all those other coverings don't count in this discussion'

More absurd whataboutery. Do you really see no difference between a burga /niqab which turns a person into a faceless , walking tent and the other examples of clothes.