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Michigan court concludes that trans women are NOT women

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Seeingadistance · 31/07/2018 15:13

thinkprogress.org/michigan-court-anti-transgender-planet-fitness-ruling-11d48ac24db8/

Well done to Yvette Cormier for continuing to fight against Planet Fitness's decision to penalise her for pointing out that there was a man in the women's changing room.

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Baumederose · 31/07/2018 15:30

This is where it could get interesting. Whilst this case is in the USA what this could come down to is contract law in the UK.

My gym offers single space changing. To change that will mean a new contract and potential loss of business if that business chooses not to retain single sex spaces.

Datun · 31/07/2018 15:29

This is the crux of it for businesses. If they are going to have policies that make intimate spaces mixed sex then they need to be very clear to their customers this is the case.

I agree. Pretending that basing segregation on gender, doesn't then result in mixed sex, is deceitful.

If people are going to dismantle women's protections, at least have the bloody balls to say so.

Pretending that swapping your gender identity means that your sex is irrelevant, is basic gaslighting.

Gileswithachainsaw · 31/07/2018 15:28

This is the crux of it for businesses. If they are going to have policies that make intimate spaces mixed sex then they need to be very clear to their customers this is the case

Maybe it should have to be displayed like the food hygiene grading.

A notice stating that trans people regardless of whether they have taken steps to transition or not will or won't be in the locker rooms.

Rather than hidden away amongst thousands of policies on a website or on the small.print if any signed membership contracts where it's easily missed.

Excellent outcome though

LemonJello · 31/07/2018 15:25

The hits keep on coming! Smile Smile Smile

By not disclosing that it was taking the opposite position — respecting transgender people according to their gender identity — Planet Fitness was “failing to reveal a material fact” in an attempt to “mislead or deceive the consumer,”

This should come as a stark warning to all who seek to base policy on “transwomen are women”, that they are now potentially failing to reveal material facts in an attempt to mislead or deceive

OvaHere · 31/07/2018 15:21

In other words, the court agreed with Cormier’s perspective that transgender women are not women and that she never should have been expected to understand that a locker room for women would include transgender women. By not disclosing that it was taking the opposite position — respecting transgender people according to their gender identity — Planet Fitness was “failing to reveal a material fact” in an attempt to “mislead or deceive the consumer,” as the relevant Michigan law reads.

This is the crux of it for businesses. If they are going to have policies that make intimate spaces mixed sex then they need to be very clear to their customers this is the case.

ToeToToe · 31/07/2018 15:17

Wow. That's great news.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 31/07/2018 15:15

Shock. Is the tide finally turning?? Hallelujah 🎼🎼🎼🎼