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Woman in Paris attacked the street

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IAmInsignificunt · 31/07/2018 00:20

This is utterly shocking but is something I know so many women have been the victim of.
I once told a man to “fuck off” on the tube because he kept stroking my hand. He lifted my skirt and pushed my head against the glass petition and shouted “slut” as he left the carriage.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/30/uproar-in-france-over-video-of-woman-marie-laguerre-hit-by-harasser-in-paris-street

“CCTV video of the attack on Laguerre, given to her by the cafe owner, has now gone viral after she posted it on Facebook. It has also bolstered the French government attempts to outlaw sexual harassment on the country’s streets and public transport.

Laguerre was walking home around 6.45pm past a cafe close to Buttes-Chaumont park in the 19th arrondissement of north Paris, when she encountered her attacker. She said he “made dirty noises, comments and whistled” toward her as they passed. Instead of walking on, Laguerre decided to call him out, responding “Ta gueule!”, or shut up.

“I didn’t even think he heard me,” she told the newspaper Le Parisien. “But he had heard me and suddenly things happened suddenly. He grabbed an ashtray and threw it at me. It missed my head by a few centimetres.”

Laguerre shouted back at the man. “I felt hatred. I refused to be demeaned, it was humiliating.” The man walked back and as she stood facing him, hit her hard.“

The attacker has not been found. That poor woman!

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kayaking · 26/10/2018 08:27

I've never been to Paris but have experienced sexual assault twice, at age 12 in London walking to friends house in daylight your typical old man in a mac wanking away. I ignored him and months later walking in the same place with my parents, I told them about it, they were shocked and asked why I hadn't said anything to them at the time. I didn't say anything at the time because it didn't scare me, I just thought pathetic old man!
Second time aged 18 in a pub, in the crowd around the bar waiting to order, young guy behind me decided to have a feel I said in a very loud voice "stop touching my bum" result, a very red faced guy who didn't know where to look, and his friends laughing at him. I felt great!
I am now in my 60's, so even though at the time it didn't bother me, I have not forgotten either incidents.

Pawprintjoy · 26/10/2018 01:47

ErrolTheDragon if you’re talking about my post then she’s fine just a bit shocked x

ohello · 26/10/2018 01:46

Pawprint, I'm so sorry. Sad

ohello · 26/10/2018 01:41

Just this morning I was thinking again about that poor woman in London who was shoved in front of a bus by a male jogger -- she was seriously lucky the bus didn't crush her skull!

This stuff is everywhere, women really do have to be hyper-vigilant all the time. Personally, I feel like I was born into a war zone and can be ambushed by covert enemy combatants at any time. Yet I'm supposed to pretend to everyone including myself that my reality is just a paranoid dream. It's massive gaslighting and the only ones who understand are radfems.

The stress from knowing that random men hate me that much, and that I really do need to be that hyper-vigilant, just keeps accumulating. And then doctors wonder why so many women in their 50's start experiencing auto-immune complications! It's the constant stress and pretense, hello!

ErrolTheDragon · 26/10/2018 01:03

...Is she OK?

Pawprintjoy · 26/10/2018 00:57

Saw this just now after something similar happening to my dd tonight... shame things like this aren’t just a one time thing

SoulSaver · 05/10/2018 12:24

See my thread regarding the BBC reporting of this case

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385089-Another-BBC-complaint-gender-related-violence

thatdamnwoman · 05/10/2018 12:20

I spent some time in Paris in 1979, studying. It was a nightmare. London was so civilised by comparison. I'm not sure I've ever really got over the nightmare of being followed and touched and harassed wherever I went. It got to the stage where I was terrified of going out. Vile.

AssassinatedBeauty · 05/10/2018 11:25

Thankfully the man who did this has now been jailed for 6 months for aggravated assault, and will need to do a course about violence towards women.

Gncq · 01/08/2018 08:31

The bill, which outlaws “annoying, following and threatening” a woman as well as making sexist comments, is scheduled to be adopted in the next week. Fines come into effect in the autumn.

“The political response must be strong and it is, because for the first time in France we will fine those responsible for street harassment,” Schiappa said.

^^ well this is really good news.

eurochick · 01/08/2018 07:11

France is terrible for this sort of thing. I lived there in my early 20s for a while. I was flashed at twice, followed numerous times and sexually assaulted whilst awaiting for as bus to an exam. One of my friends caste home one day to find a man wanking on the steps at the entrance to her apartments.

TransplantsArePlants · 01/08/2018 06:17

Helena

Thanks. So chilling. Someone knows who that evil man is

TransplantsArePlants · 01/08/2018 06:14

thenightsky

God yes. That was so very upsetting

HelenaDove · 01/08/2018 01:18

Have those in the French film industry who signed some sort of petition against #metoo been approached for comment?

thenightsky the Putney bridge jogger case has been closed.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314713-Putney-Bridge-jogger-case-closed

tomorrowsword · 01/08/2018 00:11

All I can remember of Paris is being 13 on a scool French exchange trip and watching my friend's frozen face as a strange man fingered her on the Metro.

Not much has changed, by the sound of it.

NameChangedAgain18 · 31/07/2018 23:45

I went to Paris on my own last summer and within less than five minutes of leaving my hotel for the first time was being followed and pestered by a man. He was furious when I told him to leave me alone. I am hardly a looker, and am in my 40s (so used to being completely invisible in the UK, which is great). God knows what it must be like for younger women. Well, we can see from that video, can't we?

SirVixofVixHall · 31/07/2018 23:34

It is years since I’ve been in Paris, but the harassment was constant. I even had a man try and get me into his car, while his ancient Maman was in the back ! While walking with a friend we had a man grab her crotch and my breast at the same time. It was horrendous, just unbelievable. We were young , maybe that was part of it , but it was grim.

UpstartCrow · 31/07/2018 21:23

sociopathsunited Part 2;
For those who's response to Schrodinger’s Rapist is NAMALT - the Russian Roulette analogy.

researchtobedone.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/for-those-who-dont-understand-schrodingers-rapist/

gendercritter · 31/07/2018 18:52

I had a bad experience in Paris. Nothing this bad but a guy came up with his arms raised and got in my face and yelled. I was just walking down the street.

He went off talking loudly to himself. It was very intimidating. I was in my early 20's. I am glad this video shows what lots of women have experienced.

thenightsky · 31/07/2018 18:44

Reminds me of that poor woman that got pushed under a bus on a bridge in London by a male jogger. Never caught him did they?

CrockedPot · 31/07/2018 18:20

I once asked (politely) ‘do I know you?’ to a man who told me to ‘smile, love!’ He went ballistic - shouted ‘do I want to know you, you fucking slag! You bitch!’
I was shaken and scared by it, but I would say it again. We have to stand up to these absolute arseholes who think they can treat us like this.

MoltenLasagne · 31/07/2018 17:10

Paris is awful - I had a man very painfully grab me between the legs and was basically told I was dressed inappropriately when I found a guard. In jeans and a vest top in summer, god knows what I should have got in a skirt. France has a very different philosophy towards this I have found - even women I'd expect to be on side have said that being assaulted by men shows you have power over them. I don't really get it so might be explaining it wrong - basically women can make men lose control so they're in control. Clearly a load of crap, the power is in the one with the powerful right hook...

OvaHere · 31/07/2018 17:07

The video of this is just awful. How much hate towards women must he harbour to do this so publicly (not that privately is better of course but most abusers do have awareness that it's criminal).

I hope he is found and convicted.

This is exactly why women rarely challenge strange men.

Crwban · 31/07/2018 16:58

Shame on him, the bastard. I bet he wasn't raised to treat women like that. What happens to these men to hate women so much?

Tanith · 31/07/2018 15:16

I have only once seen a pervert taken to task in public - it was about 30 years ago.
An elderly man pinched a woman’s bottom in Sainsbury’s. Used to be a common form of assault then.

On that occasion, it was another woman who loudly shouted “I saw that, you disgusting pervert! I saw what you did to that lady!” and she kept it up until the shamed man scurried out of the shop with the other shoppers, men and women, all glaring furiously at him.

I wonder if those café customers realised what had happened and just saw an angry man attack a woman, not understanding that it was the harrassment of a total stranger.

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