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GIRES school resources

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LanguageAsAFlower · 30/07/2018 22:44

From things I've read on here and from a general concern about what resources are available to schools to teach/support/guide students through issues relating to gender/sex I came across the GIRES website. I emailed them, because as far as I can see many of the resources seem to confuse sex and gender, but also have a tenuous link to what we know to be biologically true. As I've said before on here I don't think schools are the place for anything that could be deemed too radical/controversial I'm concerned that young women and men are supported fairly and protected from those who would "sell" them on permanent actions at a such a young and impressionable age. I'm interested in what you make of the reply I received. Resources and my email as photos, I'll post the reply as the next comment.

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Wanderabout · 31/07/2018 15:44

Thanks Orchid.

OrchidInTheSun · 31/07/2018 15:27

That's a very good point SilentCrow. I think it's probably all tied in (that gires foc I linked to is a couple or of years old). But the fact that they have written stuff like that and still have the ear of government beggars belief.

It's all part of the woo isn't it? To make policy for anything else, you find the evidence then make the policy. This is about making policy around what a small group of people want and then looking for the evidence to demonstrate its right. It just wouldn't be acceptable for any other area of policy - especially one that straddles education, health, safeguarding, access, pensions, leisure, etc etc

enoughisenough12 · 31/07/2018 12:36

Yes JackyHolyoake . Now all those schools that have illegally gone 'gender neutral' will have to reverse their decisions.

I can (just about) cope with the harassment of women from TRAs - it's nothing new. But when I see what is happening to children I am outraged to my core.
That we are giving adults with a sexual fetish to promote, access to schools to groom and gaslight both adults and children is beyond belief. That politicians are so frightened of the twatter mob that they are won't stand up stand up and insist that these groups leave children and schools alone.

That is why I keep writing to MPs. I want there to be no doubt when the next safeguarding scandal happens that they were warned and are accountable. Lobby groups have no business being in schools. The activities of Transpire should be enough to raise anyone's concerns:

www.transgendertrend.com/who-is-making-policy-for-schools/

silentcrow · 31/07/2018 12:34

GIRES also have a document on their website in which they claim that transition can cure autism

Whoa. That sounds suspiciously like the "lupron protocol", discredited ten years ago and which caused the doctor involved to lose his licence. I asked about it on the lupron thread yesterday but nobody seemed to know anything. Stick "lupron autism" in to Google, though, it's enlightening. Eerily reminiscent of Wakefield (and again, I say "follow the money").

OrchidInTheSun · 31/07/2018 12:18

www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/GIRES-Young-People-Response-to-Service-Spec-1.pdf

Section 1.5. I wish I were making this up

Wanderabout · 31/07/2018 11:29

@Orchid do you have a link to that please?

That is pretty worrying.

LangCleg · 31/07/2018 11:23

My replies from MPs are all about 'transgender children' being the most special and vulnerable group

If they are, why is the fool not objecting to all the lobby group guidance destroying safeguarding for them? Why is the fool not saying that allowing confidential disclosures, disavowing multi-agency working and parental alienation are putting this very group of children at risk by infiltrating abusers?

The idiocy defies belief, it really does. None of them have stopped to think for even a single minute.

enoughisenough12 · 31/07/2018 10:22

My replies from MPs are all about 'transgender children' being the most special and vulnerable group and word salad about 'gender identity'. So offensive that they are establishing a hierarchy of 'vulnerability' - especially when you look at all the needs of other children. But that reflects the gaslighting advice that they are being given by the well entrenched lobby groups..

MsBeaujangles · 31/07/2018 08:40

The National Curriculum and GCSE syllabuses (syllabi?) are clear and accurate. That aspect of education has been far from progressive in recent years.
I wonder if there is any mileage in approaching the DfE about DfE/government endorsed resources undermining curriculum content?

OrchidInTheSun · 31/07/2018 08:30

GIRES also have a document on their website in which they claim that transition can cure autism

OrchidInTheSun · 31/07/2018 08:30

GIRES also have a document on their website in which they claim that transition can cure autism

enoughisenough12 · 31/07/2018 08:09

Wanderabout Looking at the responses I've had from MPs the party line is being written by those working for / allied to trans organisations. I know this MP won't actually believe that you should have 17 year old teenage boys sharing changing rooms and toilets with 12 year old girls. But they are so frightened of being called transphobic that all critical thinking is suspended and they meekly parrot the TRA line .
I am struggling to write back 'respectfully' to the 'gender neutral toilets in schools are preferred as they're inclusive" comment. I just want to shout and roar at the sheer ignorance of the comment, not to mention the way he deliberately ignores the rates of sexual harassment in schools.

Wanderabout · 31/07/2018 07:41

Wow. Thanks for posting. Was the reply from GIRES rather than the government? Weird it starts 'the government is aware...'

Ereshkigal · 31/07/2018 07:25

These organisations have got their claws into every organisation into the public sector giving out misleading "inclusive" advice unquestioned and fawned over by government officials.

enoughisenough12 · 31/07/2018 07:15

LanguageAsAFlower
I'm just looking at a letter from an MP telling me that gender neutral toilets in schools are preferred as they're "inclusive". I'm just in the middle of a response telling him that toilets in schools should be safe, private and afford dignity not be inclusive Angry
And pointing out that the government has just reminded schools that they must have sex segregated facilities for all those over the age of 8:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf

And (while I'm on a roll) if you really want to see the harm done to a child when the demands of a transgender organisation supporting an evidently unwell mother are listened to and social services start affirming a boy as a girl when they evidently weren't, take a look at this court judgement - it makes chilling reading. The emotional abuse of this child went unchecked for years and the judge is very clear about the failure to protect:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

LanguageAsAFlower · 31/07/2018 06:55

I think I'll write to the DFE next. I do enjoy a summer hols letter writing campaign.

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enoughisenough12 · 31/07/2018 06:41

Most worrying is the fact that the DfE & NHS have funded these resources. So some naive teacher may believe that they're OK, follow the advice and keep something confidential. Then when the child is harmed the teacher will face a charge of gross misconduct for failing to follow the safeguarding policy - there won't be a school in the land that tells teachers to keep confidences in these situations. It is so dangerous.

Pratchet · 31/07/2018 06:27

Ironic that they use twins as an example. Identical twin studies prove there's no such thing as innate gender identity.

LanguageAsAFlower · 30/07/2018 23:36

"Tell the child they can talk to you in confidence." Literally the opposite of safeguarding. I mean I don't know any teacher who would be stupid enough to say/do this... but I bet it happens.

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LangCleg · 30/07/2018 23:27

It is the statement of faith in the gender religion

Yep.

enoughisenough12 · 30/07/2018 23:23

GIRES also tell adults working in schools to keep children's confidences and make risk assessments that individuals are not qualified to make.:
Here in module 2
cs1.e-learningforhealthcare.org.uk/public/GEV/GEV_01_001/story_html5.html?lms=1

Why would any organisation undermine safeguarding for children? Just why?

LanguageAsAFlower · 30/07/2018 23:20

Oh @OldCrone I didn't even look at that, it's hideously confusing. Imagine all those little kids going home asking their parents if they could have been wrong about their sex. Ffs

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OldCrone · 30/07/2018 23:17

GIRES also have materials for very young children which tells them that they can change sex - they can choose which sex they want to be.
www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Penguin-Story-Trans-Boy.pdf

UpstartCrow · 30/07/2018 23:13

They are intended to delay puberty when it starts too early. Not to be used through normal puberty.

Every cell in our body has an internal clock and knows how old it is. If you used blockers to delay puberty into your mid 20's its unlikely you would then go through a normal puberty if you stopped.

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