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Consultation of Equality Act enforcement open : Womens' and Equality Committee

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theOtherPamAyres · 30/07/2018 14:10

"We've heard that enforcement of the Equality Act isn't working. Today we're launching an inquiry to find out why not and what needs to change. If you have information that can help us answer these questions, you can find out more and submit evidence here:

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/news-parliament-2017/enforcing-the-equality-act-launch-17-19/

Sounds like the City of London and other councils need to examine their policies of gender identity's primacy.

Hoorah

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arranbubonicplague · 03/12/2018 14:41

As we read through, it might be helpful to post our observations here?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3441533-Enforcing-the-Equality-Act-the-law-and-the-role-of-the-EHRC-inquiry

arranbubonicplague · 03/12/2018 14:40

Thank you for posting the availability of the written evidence - looking forward to reading through them.

2rebecca · 03/12/2018 14:31

click "view all" then click on "A-Z" to see all responses

PencilsInSpace · 31/10/2018 20:24

I hope Karon Monaghan doesn't delete her account, I thought she was brilliant.

MrsAird · 31/10/2018 19:21

Thanks Pencils for extracting the links.

I thought all 3 speakers were fairly good, and very clear about the importance of retaining sex based exemptions.

Interestingly KM QC is absolutely sure that the part of the GRA which says "becomes a women (or man) for all purposes " has to be read subject to the sex-based exemptions, ie sex based exemptions trump a GRC.

There has not been any case law to determine this, and other lawyers don't think it is that clear cut, but one good result of this process might be if that is made totally clear.

I think the problem with what the speakers were saying, is that it doesn't address the cases where the 'risk' analysis is not central. Not the rape crisis centres, but the beauty salons who don't wish to offer a male-body service. Not the prisons, but the shop changing rooms, the swimming sessions, the women-in-business networks, the women's support groups.

And what about this creeping social trend to abandon sex based exemptions and use gender based definitions instead? The speakers haven't picked up on that at all. eg Swim England, Girl Guides, etc.

Randomusername01 · 31/10/2018 19:14

The problem with that is that they are accepting the premise of twaw. And I guess under law they are right as the short hair lady says that those with a grc are protected as women under the equalities act (bar the few exceptions which appear to be so wooly trans activists have managed to frighten people into thinking they don't exist).

ThePrincipal · 31/10/2018 19:11

My blood runs cold upon opening that link.

The absence of SEX is screaming at me.

Imnobody4 · 31/10/2018 18:41

Will have to watch the whole thing. But thought the woman from Fawcett Society was good. Got annoyed at the jibes at twitter and idea that women don't really understand. Thanks for links to segments.

PencilsInSpace · 31/10/2018 17:52

First evidence session was this morning. Single sex exceptions were discussed.

Witnesses: Karon Monaghan QC, Barrister, Catherine Rayner, Chair, Discrimination Law Association, and Sam Smethers, Chief Executive, Fawcett Society

Video of the whole session

Bits discussing sex, gender, GRA, single sex exceptions -

9 minutes near the start
6 minutes near the end

arranfan · 05/10/2018 21:23

Bat signal was answered and I've submitted.

Manderleyagain · 05/10/2018 18:27

Done too. I also decided against anonymity.

Barracker · 05/10/2018 17:29

Done. Not my finest work though.

LadyJustice · 05/10/2018 17:25

Bump!

Have yours in by midnight tonight.

WatchThePotatoesBoil · 05/10/2018 15:08

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this:

You are not allowed to publish your submission publically once submitted - so please don't cut-and-paste stuff you submitted on to mumsnet as that could compromise its consideration.

arranfan · 05/10/2018 13:54

I will say that once you start writing, the grief of this is overwhelming, as unbidden, the examples flood into your mind.

2BorNot2Bvocal · 05/10/2018 13:13

If anyone is worried about their privacy in submitting a response you do not have to give an address. You can submit with your name, a phone number and just an email address.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 05/10/2018 12:59

Done.

arranfan · 05/10/2018 12:35

Ancient Apple User with no Windows.

Very unsmart phone.

I'm hoping bat signal is answered.

arranfan · 05/10/2018 12:20

I had a go in the wee smalls - GC Davies thread also very helpful (as recommended by Lady Justice:

twitter.com/g_c_davies/status/1046823284745154561

Tidying up - and then I have put out a bat signal to friends as my home set-up doesn't have Word and I'm not sure a Notepad document is quite the thing. When I get back tonight, I'm hoping to have arranged someone will be here and I can format the document on their machine and send it.

PencilsInSpace · 05/10/2018 11:48

FPFW rebirth report has lots of useful quotes about the difficulties applying the exception (page 23 onwards)

OrchidInTheSun · 05/10/2018 11:14

Thanks everyone for your help - just submitted by response.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/10/2018 10:14

Done - this thread was very useful. Thanks all

2BorNot2Bvocal · 05/10/2018 09:12

Done.