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Jane Garvey interviews a parent of a transgender child & Aimee Challener on Woman's Hour.

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R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 10:37

On now

"What is it like to parent a child experiencing gender dysphoria? How does that child experience wanting to be recognised as a different gender from a young age? Deni Parkes, mother of 24 year old, Kye, a trans man, and Aimee Challenor, a 20 year old trans woman speak to Jane."
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bcddpp

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placemats · 30/07/2018 19:46

It's such a small sample of those living within the community.

I'd rather listen to the difficulties on how blind women/girls of all ages get about their daily lives.

jgrobinson · 30/07/2018 19:40

All About Trans had an interaction with Colin Tregear, Complaints Director at the BBC Complaints Unit in 2013:

"The fact is that I spoke to a number of colleagues in the following days about the things we talked about and discussed some of the ways in which the BBC can be more responsive to, and more aware of, the issues which matter to trans people and the manner in which they are portrayed. I guess that every conversation helps to slowly shift opinion.”

www.allabouttrans.org.uk/interaction-colin-tregear-bbc-complaints-director/

Angryresister · 30/07/2018 19:15

Yes placemats that was my first thought...definitely no balance there..anyone got the contact details for Tony Hall. Time to get the board to address the BBC not addressing safeguarding issues at all. It sounded as though Jane had been told what to stay and what not to say. That WH is supporting tacitly the sterilisations of children and young people is absolutely extraordinary. We must take a stand. Now

placemats · 30/07/2018 19:03

Just call it trans woman hour. And let that agenda take over.

Women's hour really is just stating the obvious and has long outlived its shelf life.

Flogging a dead
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placemats · 30/07/2018 19:00

I think it's time to take the T out of LGB.

Trans is totally separate from sexual preferences.

And Amiee is, in my professional opinion, breaking all the safeguarding issues. But hush now, keep it a secret.

Melamin · 30/07/2018 18:47

Just a girl is pure propaganda. It sounds like propaganda. It had me ConfusedHmm long before I saw anything on here.

It is rubbish listening too.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/07/2018 18:20

I'm with Diliana, the kids I've seen who've been put on Lupron etc have seemed remarkably immature for their age and won't have any/much interest in sex, so one who's 16 dating an 18 year doesn't sound appropriate at all.

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 18:16

Woman's Hour had a call out at the beginning of the program for listeners to contact the show and suggest topics. Its a yearly feature I think.

They have also asked for listeners' experiences and opinions about sex and gender for an extended series of discussions in the autumn.

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nauticant · 30/07/2018 17:19

I don't blame you. The one-sided and wholly uncritical cheerleading of children being sterilised on the way to surgery which could be profoundly and bitterly regretted is sickening.

BoreOfWhabylon · 30/07/2018 17:00

I caught a bit of the last series nauticant. Can't face any more.

nauticant · 30/07/2018 16:54

If you're so minded BoreOfWhabylon, it'll be rebroadcast at 19.45 this evening. But it could give you the rage so you might want to skip it if you're looking to be mellow this evening.

Angryresister · 30/07/2018 16:46

Just written in , again. They know there are GC voices but it does seem the producers are hell bent on giving only one side of the story. I can only get the podcasts so didn't hear the story thank god. Sounds as though the BBC with its heavily overstaffed by Trans people is thoroughly biased. The blithe acceptance of FGM involving removal of heathy tissue and lifelong medication, on the NHS was particularly shocking.

Viago · 30/07/2018 16:39

^ yes do this. I didn't listen to this last time but I remember hearing complaints about it on either Feedback/Points of View.

BoreOfWhabylon · 30/07/2018 16:33

I didn't listen to this but perhaps those who did could let WH and the Beeb know what they thought?

DilianaDilemma · 30/07/2018 16:05

I have the strangest question re. the Just a Girl' storyline - and I really, really don't mean to be goady or inappropriate (haven't seen the show):

So, if the protagonist has been on blockers from age 11 and is now 16 and dating, isn't that kind of ... problematic (for the lack of a better word).

Puberty does a lot more than simply make pubes sprout. Wouldn't that character be quite immature in terms of brain development, too? Not to mention that they'd basically be in a child's body. Is it actually appropriate for them to be dating?

Very happy to stand corrected, but it feels instinctively wrong. Can anyone enlighten me?

AnchorMum · 30/07/2018 15:54

I listen to Woman's Hour most days and the interviews in this segment were both a little unusual.
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It reminded me of the Sky interview with Jess Bradley (NUS TRans officer and founder of Action for TRAns Health)*

I wondered if perhaps some TRAs insist that they speak as individuals or put restrictions around what journalists may mention.

Yes - these interviews certainly lacked the energy and rigour of Garvey's Love Island discussion at the top of the programme.

As a journalist, you are trained to put both sides of the argument forward - even if it needs to be done sensitively. There was a little of this with Kai's Mum - especially the bit when she talked about grieving for the loss of her daughter. But Aimee seemed to be given a free ride.

Not like Jane Garvey's usual style at all.

Ekphrasis · 30/07/2018 15:15

I only managed to catch bits of both the prog and the serial but it suddenly sent a cold chill down my spine. I do fully a knowledge that free speech, especially in 'art' is necessary, but I know from my younger days I used to just accept the status quo that the news and bbc peddled me.

The chill came from the realisation that the underlying messages communicated in the play were that we, the audience, were being taught the correct way to think.

Because if the opposing views (I'm mainly thinking if the line the bits Mum says about "do you think men can be women just because they say so?" - intonation: yes) were placed in a play I'm really not sure they'd currently be broadcast.

But I may need to listen to it again more closely.

I felt the first interview was sensitive and interesting. I really felt for Kai.

jgrobinson · 30/07/2018 15:02

This is the writer (or perhaps stenographer?), Mark Davies Markham:
"@PinkNews brilliant well done all deservedly so Susie Green does invaluable work @BBCWomansHour #JustAGirl"
twitter.com/MarkDaviesMark/status/791389229905502208

jgrobinson · 30/07/2018 14:52

Just in case you don't know, "Just a Girl" was heavily influenced by Susie Green and Mermaids.
twitter.com/MarkDaviesMark/status/643799135800438788

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 14:25

AnchorMum No she didn't and it was strange. I listen to Woman's Hour most days and the interviews in this segment were both a little unusual.

It reminded me of the Sky interview with Jess Bradley (NUS TRans officer and founder of Action for TRans Health)

I wondered if perhaps some TRAs insist that they speak as individuals or put restrictions around what journalists may mention.

Its curious & could be interesting.

recent threads re Jess Bradley:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

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AnchorMum · 30/07/2018 12:25

Did Jane Garvey mention Aimee Challoner's professional involvement? Something I missed if she did.

In the context of Aimee's involvement, it certainly is an odd interview choice given the context of the discussion.

I also noted Aimee saying that the only family dissenting voices came from her paternal grandparents, who were coming from 'a place of ignorance.'

R0wantrees · 30/07/2018 12:05

AnchorMum There's quite a lot on FWR too about Aimee Challoner.

Aimee is also often interviewed on BBC and Pink News and has written a number of opinion pieces for the Independent.

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AnchorMum · 30/07/2018 11:26

Thank you Jackie.

JackyHolyoake · 30/07/2018 11:24

AnchorMum Aimee Challenor is a Green Party politician and a trans activist. There is plenty of information about Challenor via Google. Smile

ToeToToe · 30/07/2018 11:23

So, today's episode. Amy (the transgirl) is getting involved with a boy who is in the dark about Amy being trans. Amy is in no hurry to set him straight (ha!). This makes my flesh crawl.

Er, yes. That would be problematic in a real life scenario. My experience of straight teenage boys is that they wouldn't be too ecstatic finding a penis down there.

But what do I know? Obviously us old bigotty bigots are just soooo obsessed with genitals. Confused