Excellent counter-view to ROGD

"I thought you got steakhouses icy!"

When I searched google for "Sakura" that's exactly what I found.

The link to the search I performed is in the post I made.

I wonder what it is about your search history that a search for "Sakura" brings up anime?

Not that should be used to judge you, of course.

I'm unimpressed with the Roger Irrelevant approach to argumentation on this thread.

It is very dull.

"I was pointing out that the author of that link is a frothing misogynistic who regularly takes pops at mumsnet. And their twitter handle, is the same as an anime site. Which is no surprise. Given the correlation between late transitioning men and anime. "

Still trying to hide your ad hominem attacks behind the now obvious lie that DeviantArt is "an anime site"? Or are you trying to claim that their twitter name is the same as an anime site. TBH you're now so all over the place it's impossible to tell.

But hey, benefit of the doubt and all:

sakuranoseirei.com/ Server IP address could not be found.

So still no anime, and still no explanation of why you find foreign animation so utterly threatening or damning. Would you feel better if they had an interest in Russian animation? Is it just Japan that you have a problem with?

Where are all the late-onset female identifying as males now that trans acceptance has apparently carved the way for females to come out and express their true identity? Any stats from grown adults to prove the changing ratio? No? Just teenage girls then?

We're all around - because the fact of the matter is it's hard to find a woman who at some point didn't wish her female body away, often just for a moment. What we didn't have was social media urging us to dwell on it, providing us with lots of examples of other girls feeling the same way - and groups being allowed into school to give talks encouraging girls that it 'probably means you're trans'.

"Datun Let's make it very easy for Garam here's the link :"

Oooh, thank you for the link. Let's see what we've got here:

Drawing based on somebody's stock photo.
Drawing of what looks like the same person in the previous stock photo on a mountain.
Real life photo of a shawl.
Drawing of the same person as before except in front of a pond or lake.
Drawing of same person, from the back.
Bunch of photos.
Story in a journal.
Favourites of drawings of Star Wars, and Avatar

Hmm, not exactly damning evidence of a like of foreign animation, I feel.

Where are all the late-onset female identifying as males now that trans acceptance has apparently carved the way for females to come out and express their true identity? Any stats from grown adults to prove the changing ratio? No? Just teenage girls then?

Usually when you see hashtags about a diagnosis that doesn't stem from the medical establishment, you would be right to be dubious

This is a non-starter. No-one is claiming ROGD is a diagnosis; it's a phenomenon that concerned parents and professionals, who have actual experience and knowledge of child development, are asking to be researched and investigated. There's nothing inaccurate or even necessarily inflammatory about the term. If a child who has hitherto been contented with their sex suddenly isn't once they are teens, then what is it other than a rapid onset of gender dysphoria. Are you claiming that parents have just failed to notice that their child didn't like being a girl as a 6 year old?

Transactivists wish to claim that young people have not hitherto had the words or understanding to know they were trans until their classmates came out as trans or they saw a youtube video or tumblr post.

So, why is it so difficult for them to accept that that there could be another reason for how the young female is feeling but the only words and framework for understanding their feelings being presented to them is the trans pathway. Adults who care about young people should want the best for young people and not deny them the language or understanding to recognise other reasons for their sudden onset of gender dysphoria. e.g. perhaps going through puberty within a pornified society has brought on body image issues or that the female is actually undiagnosed with ASD (which is known to be commonly missed until a female is in young adulthood) or that they have romantic feelings towards their same sex or they have another psychological issue which might takes years of counseling to unpick and relieve but the only quick solution being presented to them with conviction is changing their sex.

That certain sections of the transgender community are so anti research to investigate the recent 2000% increase in girls identifying as trans (when the ratio used to be something like 1:4 females to males) should ring alarm bells. Happy to throw female adolescents under the bus to fight their own cause. It's sickening.

I thought you got steakhouses icy!

😂

Does anyone have any idea what IcyNoII is trying to prove?* I can see that they're arguing about something and they seem to be pleased about something but it's, well, pointless in terms of the thread.

I assume IcyNoII* knows but that might not actually be the case.

Its so true, Datun, most women have a moment of ROGD, that first time when you are catcalled or wolfwhistled when you are on your way to buy an ice lolly in your shorts and t shirt at age 12,13,14.

My daughters both verbalised that moment,
'Is this what it's going to be like?'
'Is this what men are do?'

No girl wants that attention.
It's the death of childhood for them.

But I imagine autogenophiles would cream their wives panties at the very idea someone would catcall them.

Honestly, this assault on our daughters' psychological health by trans ideology makes me sick.

I realise you hold strong feelings on animé but this really isn’t the point of the thread.

"If you click on the thread, then google the person who wrote that thread on Twitter, you get to an anime site called deviantART. "

You mean the DeviantArt that I've already referred to in a post above.

The DeviantArt that is (and I'll just copy-paste this bit) "One of the biggest sites featuring original photography, digital art, traditional art, literature, and filmmaking, and also one of the world's largest repository of free-to-use stock imagery and photography.

Got it's name because "DeviantArt started as a site connected with people who took computer applications and modified them to their own tastes, or who "deviated" the applications from the original designs. As the site grew, members in general became known as "deviants" and submissions as "deviations""

The site here: www.deviantart.com

Noted for it's anime collection of, mmm, what do we have a here:

free stock photo of a cat about to drink from a river

live scene photo of a dog wrapped in a blanket

journals contributors to the site keep of their lives

Yep, that all looks like anime to me, hastag 'biggest sarcasm mark ever'

In fact, let's have a look at their menu. 20 options. 1 for anime. That's a site obsessed with anime alright (even bigger hashtag).

Funny how I was willing to link the site, but you weren't.

Is it because those ad hominem attacks turn out to be baseless, after all?

Datun Let's make it very easy for Garam here's the link :

www.deviantart.com/sakura-no-seirei

Regardless of the merits of foreign art, the Deviant Art website does contain some very out there stuff from kink communities (even if it is well drawn).

This and tumblr are two websites I have blocked via my wifi because it's not somewhere I want my arty 11 yr old to access.

He may well do when he's older and figures out how to bypass parental controls with VPNs however until then I'd prefer to keep him away from stumbling across tentacle porn.

Icy.

If you click on the thread, then google the person who wrote that thread on Twitter, you get to an anime site called deviantART.

(I've no idea what you did to get to a steakhouse.)

Their interest in anime correlates with that of very many late transitioning men.

None of this is a secret, nor is it a surprise.

Do you have anything, anything at all to contribute to this thread about ROGD?

"Blinkin flip icynoll, what did Datun ever do to you?"

Somebody has to have done something to me to point out that their arguments are ad hominem and nothing to do with anything? That their every increasingly thin excuses hold no water?

Blinkin flip icynoll, what did Datun ever do to you?

I don’t think her position on anime or Japanese names is really the meat of her position on ROGD, is it?

What do you think of the possibility of links with autism and abuse in teenage girls identifying as trans? What advice do you offer to parents who believe that their children are expressing distress rather than a truly held, innate gender identity? rather than yelling, would you like to engage at all?

The idea of rapid onset (of a variety of things) isn't an uncommon phenomenon in teenage girls especially those in close proximity to each other (and now of course we have online proximity too.)

I remember watching a documentary some years ago about the case of the teen girls from Le Roy in the US. This article lays out what went on there, it's an interesting read and has some parallels with the demographic of girls who are now experiencing ROGD.

www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/magazine/teenage-girls-twitching-le-roy.html

"Why the fuck is icynoll using the thread to 'educate' everyone on amine and randomly googled stuff? Weirdest attempted derail i've seen in a while."

No sirree, just pointing out that a favourite poster on here decided that engaging with the thread and argument was pointless and so decided to engage in some mudslinging, trying to paint somebody as being a deviant and no doubt a lover of foreign animation (personally I'm a big fan of the French Canadian animation produced during the 90s, guess that makes me a deviant as well) based on, well, nothing really, apart from that sneering that Brits do so well; because something sounds be foreign it's probably dangerous, or perverted, but certainly not to be trusted.

Turns out that when pressed on that argument the poster had nothing to back up their claims, and their "arguments" (and how loosely must that term be applied here to fit) had nothing to do with anything.

Qué sorpresa.

Why the fuck is icynoll using the thread to 'educate' everyone on amine and randomly googled stuff? Weirdest attempted derail i've seen in a while.

"The name of the person who wrote the thread in the OP takes you to an anime site. The name of the person in the opening post is Japanese."

Really?

No doubt you'll be able to provide a link.

But as you seem wildly allergic to basic research, let's go back to Google.

translate.google.co.uk/#ja/en/Sakura

Cherry Blossoms

translate.google.co.uk/#ja/en/No

Possessive (of)

translate.google.co.uk/#ja/en/Seirei

Spirit

So the name means Spirit of Cherry Blossom. Very threatening.

And all researched using English.

So in fact, no apparent anime connection. And a search for 'Sakura' brings up:

Steak Houses, Restaurants, and Cherry Blossoms, or at least for me, based on my location.

But thanks for pointing out that you've tried your hand at mudslinging by making a claim based on no evidence in the hopes of emotionally appealing to the prevailing zeitgeist that foreign animation is somehow perverted (cause we all know that sex never gets represented in live-action stuff, no sirree).

Is that your raison d'être? (that would be French, if you're struggling)

Making up stuff without researching, hoping to retreat into a fog of unrelated words and insults when it gets spotted?

Is it working?

I'm still not sure I understand garam position.

Is it that a young child (3 to 5 years of age according to Mermaids), is worried about telling their parents that they are repulsed by their own body, for fear of society's lack of acceptance? And this goes on for ten or so years?

Ffs.

Women and children are suffering dreadfully because of this. Women are posting on at least three current threads trying to make sense of ROGD, and twits like you are claiming it's because three-year-olds fear public vilification.