Excellent counter-view to ROGD

This thread of concerned parents talking about teenage daughters often with ASD/lesbian/abuse histories is striking. There are so many:

mobile.twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1022905699133743104

It's kids like this who need protection.
He's a gay male but was pulled into the belief that he was trans, encouraged by the responses from other people about how he looked as a girl. He was weeks away from starting life-changing treatment when he realised that he wasn't trans.

Teenagers have a need to fit in and belong. If they don't feel like they fit, they may attempt to change themselves in order to fit. Even if what they are changing themselves into isn't them. They may try different things out to see how it feels before growing out of it or moving onto something else. Autistic kids struggle even more with identity and trying to find where they fit. They should be able to express themselves and try different things out without making any permanent changes or declarations.

"Modern" is an interesting way to say "made up by some random on Twitter/Tumblr".

Which is why anything more modern than these studies is roundly dismissed on here

Isnt ROGD a new thing?

Fuck me what happened

I went out and now there are pages of it

Still on oage 1 so just to make it crystal clear

I believe that some children are trans and will become trans adults. i also believe that some children may think they are at this stage and will not become trans adults ...and that such a thing as ROGD MIGHT exist

Thats being open minded

I also believe that some medical FACTS were not treated such until many years later

One of the first things I thought about the trans movement when I got into the topic was anti-vaxx.

Vaccinate your child and it will become autistic.

Don't transition your child and it will kill itself.

Wasn't long before the trans activists did a Trump and called the other side "anti-vaxx" because of course they are the ones who have "science" on their side.

You are so late to the party, but kudos for getting, as of now, 8 pages worth of replies.

"Trans adults understand this issue perfectly well, and are without doubt the most important voices in this debate."

Trans kids is usually a term used for homosexual transsexuals who experienced dysphoria and transitioned early. The modern trans umbrella has a lot of other trans voices in it. Assuming they were all 'trans kids' is a big assumption.

What about the voices of people who thought they were trans and then discovered they were not. Seens those voices useful too @garam

I think it is very strange to assume a middle aged male who doesn't want to alter the middle aged male body has anything in common with a dysphoric teenage girl who wants to strap her breasts down or have them cut off. They ate not two sides of the same coin, so what could the first possibly tell the second.

Oh yes. A lot of the girls are heavy into anime. Another pattern noticed by us parents.

A pattern discussed by parents of ROGD teens is that they all seem to say the exact same thing. It’s as if someone has groomed them into the lingo to use when parents ask questions. It is so obvious these are not their words but a template.
The worst bit is they reinvent their history. Any parent knows this is indeed untrue. When these are seen multiple times and not just by a handful of kids then the parents of these teens see external influences at play. It is not just parents who see this. It is the family and friends who see it too. But the kids have another answer. I repressed it. Who they are trying to kid. Like I don’t know my child. Even the photos of the happy child get challenged. Happiness can not be feigned. The laughter, the smile and the eyes show the truth. Denial is amazing though. If a child thinks they were not happy in an obvious happy photo then can we trust their interpretation. The objective truth is also not allowed to be challenged.
By the way, this template exists. Go on any of the transgender sites and see the glitter family in action. It is terrifying reading what these adults are doing to our vulnerable teens.
The trans activist are attacking parents now because we see them and are not taking this as a truth. I know my child and I know my child needs proper help. The Memorandum of Understanding does not allow questioning. Although if my child identified as disabled and wanted to cut off their legs, no professional would agree to this. Well there are the money grabbing professsionals who would no doubt.

Third hit on duck duck go for Sakura anime is pornhub hentai.

Tumblr is full of anime obsessed rogd-esque girls who identify as nonbinary or trans. The tag I often see associated is “wanting to be the boyfriend”. I’m pretty sure it’s a thing, when I was a teenager it was eating disorders.

• garam Fri 27-Jul-18 15:40:29

WHY are you saying that ROGD doesn't exist in the face of people saying that their child has
gender dysphoria
which had
rapid onset?

Because it doesn't exist, it is not a diagnosable condition.*

Acute conditions are severe and sudden in onset. This could describe anything from a broken bone to an asthma attack. A chronic condition, by contrast is a long-developing syndrome, such as osteoporosis or asthma.

Your propaganda would not matter, garum, if you were not telling lies on a web site where parents come for help and advice.
You are maliciously harming parents and their children. Please stop immediately.

I'm picturing a speech bubble over his head that just reads "muh anime!"

I cannot possibly be the only one who thinks IcyNoII is typing one handed.

Must be hard to wrap your head around if the idea that women know nothing is a cornerstone of your belief system.

I never asked my mother what I'd done wrong. I was too mortified. And pretty sure that whatever it was that had happened, it was my fault. I was only a year into discarding my chopper, my parka and my stretchy ron hill gb tracksuit, growing my hair out from its spiked mullet and actually dressing "like a girl", whatever that means.

Do you see now, garam, why women here take a different approach to what these girls are telling us? It seems very familiar to us. We get the message, loud and clear.

I think the issue is that people like Garam would like us to believe that there is no rapid onset and everyone who later IDs as trans knew that they would do so at the age of 3 and was only prevented from doing so at the time by a cruel, oppressive society.

Which is clearly nonsense, but there you go.

Sorry if this is a derail from where we've arrived but I find it really odd that anyone is denying ROGD exists since we know GD is an official diagnosis, the rapid onset of the dysphoria isn't a psychological condition and doesn't claim to be. So of course you won't find ROGD exists as a diagnosis in its own right. It describes the rapid onset of a known psychological condition. As you were.

And yes, the death of childhood. of girlhood. I remember mine. Catcalled by a man in a car, aged 13. I never wore that dress again. And i didn’t go back into town for weeks. I couldn’t work out what I’d done wrong.

Yep, though I was significantly younger than that when I had my "is this really what the next 40 years are going to be like?" moment. Luckily my mum was at least able to answer the "what did I do wrong?" question with "you didn't, men are pigs".

(Makes popcorn in anticipation of angry bloke responses to the last bit.)

I've never seen an anime obsessive in action before. Are they all like this?

Certainly seems that way, doesn't it? Triggered otaku is triggered and likely to keep this up for a while.

"Transgender" is talked about as being youth led, and older women need to stop talking about it because we are old and don't understand and our experiences are irrelevant.

But, it isn't youth led, is it? There are plenty of older people involved. They just aren't mothers.

What's clear from all of our experiences on here is that nothing much has changed for girls growing up. Just the way we deal with it, or expected to deal with it.

My daughter is experiencing the same social pressures that I went through, as did my mother and grandmother. Those of us that don't like or can't cope with the pressures find different ways to take control. The ways to control seems, to me, to go through phrases, mine and my friends it was trying to take control with food, my cousin was self harm.

My problem was that I didn't see that link. I didn't see that it's being going on for years, and I just looked to see how other people around me were dealing with it and followed suit.

If older women experience were valued, and not seen as irrelevant, maybe I'd have been able to see how pertinent their advise is and not harmed myself.

So, not so much "excellent" as "a bit rubbish, but makes the OP feel better about the fact that people are starting to notice the social contagion element to this in teens and looking into that a bit more" then?

I remember the death of my girlhood, it happened when I was about 12. My best mate decided he wanted to fuck me, and he didn’t understand the word no. Then a couple of years later, while on holiday in France, an old guy started talking to me and my sister, well talking to us in French, which we mostly didn’t understand. Then he came up behind me and grabbed my breast.
It’s the feeling that someone reacts to your body, rather than you as a person that’s so destabilising. Up till that point people have addressed you because they want to speak to you as a person, but suddenly you feel dislocated, because this new body that’s developing seemingly has no relation to the person inside. I can thoroughly understand how young girls want to crawl out of their own skin at the sight of their owb bodies, because it feels like a new outfit that’s been put on you that no one can see through, and it’s a horrible feeling.

Yes, Zutt. I would dearly love not to know how (some) men think about women, but unfortunately the fuckers keep forcing their opinions on me, unsolicited.