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Is there an advice resource for people whose social media contributions have been picked up and used against them?

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MrPan · 26/07/2018 16:55

This has happened. Any directions would be appreciated.
tia

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BoreOfWhabylon · 01/08/2018 21:38

Good luck Pan. This is among the reasons why I have absolutely no social media in my name and talk very little about my life or my work.

It's like the bloody Stasi!

WellThisIsShit · 01/08/2018 13:26

Good Lord, it’s terrifying. I’m sorry MrPan. Long time lurker on these issues but outspoken in my rl, stopped lurking to tell you how disgusting it is that someone would hunt and harry people for saying basic facts. We live in a terrible world.

MrPan · 01/08/2018 13:08

thanks again for wishes. it's a real education to find out just how far large organisations are running scared of the 'transphobe' accusation and even bending formal procedures to facilitate the accusers.
I've rebuffed the first 'wave' procedurally this week but it won't stop. I have a wife now, and daughter and they come first.
obv I will be in FWR to pick up any tips for representation.
thank you.

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placemats · 01/08/2018 11:23

PS I got very supportive messages.

placemats · 01/08/2018 11:22

Good luck Pan.

I was doxxed re Man Friday and Facebook. However they don't know where I work. I changed my name on Facebook too - a variant of my name and let all my friends know that I was doxxed.

Bowlofbabelfish · 01/08/2018 11:09

Apologies REO.

I’ve just been reading the two threads on Jess Bradley on AIBU and FWR. The difference in the language allowed on each board is striking.

Good luck Pan - I’m fairly careful about what I say anywhere on SM but in a world where noting scientific fact is seen as threatening all bets are off...

BlackeyedSusan · 01/08/2018 11:02

good luck.

no more pans. Sad

MrPan · 01/08/2018 10:46

Thanks Rice - not 'doxxing' as I think it means.

And yes, being very careful about what you quite legally say anywhere in case your employment is put at risk is def. a new environment.

Sadly, I am suspecting that the 'complainant' is going to try to do their worst (and all TRAs will do that if given the chance), and I am having to change my on-line profile to avoid more shit. And that includes the MN handle Pan, and variations thereof since 2006, and twitter and fb arrangements.

Oh dear - having to 'go underground'. Blimey.

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RiceandBeans · 30/07/2018 19:37

MrPan I had experience of this a while ago. I had very good union support, and amazing support via friends who were also able to send through to me lots of ideas from some other groupings of people who also had this experience. Comments here were very helpful too (I namechange frequently as I was told I should not talk of the issue in my own name on social media).

Can't say too much as a lot of it happened through anonymous back-channels. Awful that in 2018 I had to be advised via "secret" groups.

But my union was my first port of call, and the union case adviser was fantastic. As was the Employee Assistance programme - the adviser I spoke to knew about 'doxxing' - I was doxxed as have you been.

Happy to respond to PMs although I'm obviously wary of giving too much away even by PM.

REOLay · 27/07/2018 10:54

Twas just an example of a GC thing that would likely ruffle employer feathers. The op isn't giving much to go on but we're assuming the expression of GC views. It alright Bowl, you don't need to gatekeeper me, namechanged due to doxxing worries.

MrPan · 27/07/2018 10:38

Well quite, that's not it at all REO, it's what people would safely assume is non-controversial and plain fact.

As I'd said I can't be the only person in the UK who has come up against this, so whilst this matter IS about me, there will be a much broader consequence possible to others of simply stating fact, hence the enquiry of FWR for other such cases so we may learn from each other's case histories.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 27/07/2018 09:56

As a working biologist, working in a company that requires accurate data for patient safety, and being devoted to said patient safety as part of my professional being, I’d be fairly put out if my employer insisted that humans can change sex.

Do you believe humans can change sex REOlay?

R0wantrees · 27/07/2018 09:52

REOLay There's nothing to indicate your suggestion is relevent to OP.

Interesting example chosen though.

REOLay · 27/07/2018 09:18

It's a tricky area. With gender reassignment a protected characteristic employers may be very chary of being associated with people who declare, for example, that they will never call a trans woman she.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 27/07/2018 08:26

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R0wantrees · 27/07/2018 08:24

This was the legal advice for the members of #MAnFriday whose personal private details and data were breached and published on social media ( 'doxxed' )
it was posted by SwearyG on the thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3292541-Heads-up-to-all-ManFriday-members

  1. Being a member of a feminist activist group is not grounds for an employer to start any disciplinary proceedings
  1. Having gender critical/feminist beliefs is protected by the Equality Act. Employers may not discriminate against people with these beliefs
  1. ManFriday activism is intended to highlight institutional failures to invoke sex exemptions as set out in the Equality Act. If an employee is treated badly at work due to this then their employer is victimising them.
  1. Any trouble contact their union for support
  1. If not in union then post in Mumsnet and we can find legal advice and support

More from our legal bod:

Advice

  1. Contact your employer first thing and tell them you have been doxxed.
  1. Explain that MF is a group set up to protest regarding institutional failures to invoke sex exemptions set out in the Equality Act. Your concerns are primarily about safeguarding.
  1. You are concerned that your employer may be targeted by people who oppose the implementation of sex exemptions and who disagree about safeguarding
  1. You are happy to assist the company in responding to any allegations thrown at it but suggest that the company’s reply should be that it respects the rights of its employees to express their feminist beliefs whilst it may not hold those beliefs itself.
  1. As before: any problems with employer then please get in touch
  1. If feeling bold: ask your employer to endorse the application of sex exemptions in the event that they are implemented as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.
TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 27/07/2018 08:23

This link has details of cases about social media employment cases, not sure if they'll be similar to your situation but worth reading through.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 27/07/2018 08:10

There was a post made by I think @SwearyG around the time there was a data breach on their members list & she posted advice on how to respond to employers if anyone is challenged on their views etc. I've tried to find the post but think it might have been deleted or the thread pulled.

It was something along the lines of having feminist beliefs/a belief that biology matters could be protected under the EA2010 as religion & beliefs are protected characteristics as well. Maybe Sweary could come & repost that, assuming I've remembered the right person.

MrPan · 27/07/2018 08:06

Thank You! Will look to those things but am on work so it will be sporadic.

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R0wantrees · 27/07/2018 08:02

MrPan it may be worthwhile having a look on the Fairplay for Women site or even contacting them:
fairplayforwomen.com

MrPan · 27/07/2018 07:51

Thanks for those links ROwan. Yes it does become v real when you are sitting opposite someone from HR who has a formal procedure doc in front of them.

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MrPan · 27/07/2018 07:17

Thanks all again. Busy with domestic things last night.
No not anonymous on Twitter which was the problem. I am fairly easy to identify. The biological fact I stated seems to run at odds with my employers policy.

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Ereshkigal · 27/07/2018 02:05

If you were anonymous on Twitter it may be a breach of GDPR/DPA.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 23:10

MrPan There may be something useful in this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3204901-ffs-flagged-at-work-for-gender-critical-views

It was mentioned in James Kirkup's Spectator article March 2018:
'Fear and loathing grips the gender debate'

(extract)
"Real-world encounters can be nastier still: Judith Green wrote here about organising Woman’s Place UK meetings for “gender critical” women. The video here, meanwhile, shows what happened to a female trade unionist who had attended one of those meetings; it seems she was identified as attending and then targeted for mob abuse when she stood on a picket line some days later. That aggression wasn’t unique; one accusation of assault is before the courts, arising from an incident following protests against a meeting where feminists gathered to debate gender laws.

Other stories in this area involve women who speak out using their own names getting abusive messages at home and at work. In both the public and private sectors, being accused of transphobic bigotry is no small matter, and even many people who know they are doing nothing more than asking questions about an issue of public interest feel reluctant to risk being tarnished with such accusations, no matter how baseless they may be. (For real-world examples of this, see Mumsnet: this thread is just the latest to pop up while I was writing this. There are too many others.)" continues

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

Wanderabout · 26/07/2018 19:44

There was an online doct about advice on this I think I saw on twitter. Does anyone remember this and have the link?

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