Daughter with ROGD - issues with school

OP - your 'watch and wait' idea is absolutely spot on. You and partner/husband are being good parents - supportive but being aware that things might change

Hear hear.

And as for the likes of Snappity 🙄

But that said, Truthwillwin isn’t coming across very well either.

Typos

Leave snappity alone
Actually leave our kids alone. The Op can decide for themselves. You don’t need to be their voice the Op is perfectly capable of saying this if that’s how they feel. Are you Snappity’s partner ?
Snappily is out of line on this and from my understanding snappily us big enough to say if it is over. If Snapputy can’t cope fine. Let Snappity speak for themselves. I believe Snappity is strong enough to cope. If SnPpity asked you to intervene then I obviously have misread Snappity. I thought Snappity could give as much as Snappity could take. Pardon my stance. Is Snappity now feeling victimised. Welcome to my world welcome to real life agree someone challenges your view and sudddnly its like how am I gonna retort. Don’t spout it if you can’t take it. And no I won’t leave it alone. i refuse to be called an abuser of kids. I will happily challenge you and snappily. Stop acting as if you or snappilty are victims. You know exactly what you are doing. Are you Snappitys partner?

Well, the OP has unsurprisingly been frightened off. How disrespectful of Snappity to come onto a thread where a parent is asking for support and to accuse the parent of "deliberately misgendering". I would report it but believe that it's important to keep this this type of abusive behaviour on show - as evidence of what is happening.

Thank you to all those parents who have commented on the challenges of supporting their children in the face of the onslaught from activists determined that they know more about their children. Adults who attempt to insert their own beliefs in between children and their families and who try to alienate children from their parents by criticising them are not good people.

Mumsnet is a parenting support forum - the fact that some trans organisations are actively working to undermine parents and safeguarding should concern us all. And those who post determined to criticise and undermine parents really should consider whether Mumsnet is the place for them.

Leave snappity alone, it's over and you going on and on distracts from the purpose of the thread.

OP - your 'watch and wait' idea is absolutely spot on. You and partner/husband are being good parents - supportive but being aware that things might change.

Bezm. We have regressed as a society. Our kids are under so much pressure. The Kardashian’s is a perfect example. I think we are more sexist than ever before. I have 2 boys. One is typically footy mad and the other is very much a sjw. The sjw is my trans identifyimg child and he hates the fact that males are so sexist. He doesn’t relate to the sporty masculine ideology so he thinks he doesn’t fit in with males.
I hope he finds his group of friends that can be males without the bravado. Until this happens he alights himself with females. I get this. Doesn’t make him female though. What the hell are we teaching our kids that they feel they are the Kardashian’s or the male equivalent. Very few people want those type on their life. I saouls live my son to be the type of guy woman want. Indeed he is that guy. He just needs a few more years of maturity to see this. At the moment bad guys rule but as most of us females know they are not the keepers. Let our kids mature and let them be. Give both our sons and daughters a chance to experience life without labels and drugs.
The drugs I worried about for my kids never had hormones attached.
Now this is my biggest fear.
Is this not weird?

Ok, so I don't know a great deal about this issue, I do, however, teach in a primary school. Over the last decade or so, I've witnessed the gradual increase in the sexualisation of young girls in particular via the media. Girls are surrounded by images of other women who are celebrated because of how they look and what they wear as well as how they behave. Never more so than now are girls expected, indeed pressurised into conforming to a particular 'type' let's call it the Kardashian look. As a schoolgirl, we were not allowed to wear make up, short skirts, or indeed anything that would present us as 'women'. So if you were the type of girl who actually didn't want to do those things anyway, you were not made to feel different.
Now, girls who don't want to do the whole slug eyebrows, contouring make up, fake tan and micro mini dresses are absolutely made to feel different. If they believe that this is what being a girl is, then maybe, just maybe they will then identify as male.
It should not be about children believing they were born into the wrong body, but about children knowing they can present however they want, and not conform to a stereotype.
Very few people are born that are not one clear gender either male or female. To promote changing gender as a viable option for all is insulting to those people. Gender cannot be changed. How you present can. Just like race cannot be changed. Or hair colour, or eye colour or how tall you are. Any changes to these things are purely cosmetic. If I have my hair dyed, wear coloured contact lenses and paint myself dark brown, I won't suddenly become African! No matter how people address me. No matter what my passport says.
We should not be advocating a belief that you can change gender. We should, however, be advocating a society where you can be accepted in whatever what you choose to present yourself, taking gender out of the equation.
Someone mentioned anorexia earlier on. If your anorexic child stood in front of you and said they were obese, would you agree with them as an affirmation? Absolutely not. That would be a quick route to an early death. You would get professional help. You would actively discourage them accessing online forums that encourage their damaging thoughts. So do the same for gender dysphoria.

Birth to kids.
Excuse my typos. I get too enthusiastic

And if your partner is putting you up to grooming kids online, I’d be asking why.

The thread is about the op’s daughter, Snappity. Do keep up. As she only uses s male identity at school (and last time I checked, we weren’t seated in rows with chalk being lobbed at us) her identity is female. She hasn’t transitioned. She’s seeing a good counsellor who can give her some time to realize humans can’t change sex.
You sound horribly like the groomers who are desperately trying to lure kids away from their families, promising them a glitter family and eternal validation (with a side helping of double mastectomy and sterilization). It’s creepy. HTH.

(Hugs), TruthWillWin. I think we can all see how unfair the way you're being treated here is, and how appalling it is that it's happening on a forum for mothers.

Please don't delete the thread, MNHQ. People need to see how worried mothers are being treated by aggressive trans activists, and how every single space they have in which to discuss their concerns and support each other is being systematically targeted and shut down. It's not right, and the public has a right to know that it's happening.

I have reported your abusive posts, Snappity.
I hope your vile treatment of this OP finally wakes MN up to just how persistently verbally abusive you are toward women on this site.

Actually I think you are wrong. The child is not on here asking to be called a male. The parent is asking for advice. The child is unknown. I don’t think the child has asked the parent. It is a scenario

But if what you say is right on the eyes of mumsnet sure wouldn’t that get you off the hook and get this thread deleted because then you can erase everything ounce of crap you said.
Just like you are trying to erase our kids

We have a thread about a specific individual - the son of the OP - who according to the OP presently identifies as male. Deliberately misgendering a specific person - as several posters have done - is against Talk Guidelines and, doing it to a child, is shocking to see. People can offer support to the OP - which under Talk Guidelines can include expressing concern about transition - but that does not and cannot give them the right to misgender the OP's child. This is a public forum and the child has rights to respect for his presently professed gender identity (as declared by the OP).

If people want to misgender the child, they should take that discussion somewhere private.

Wine helps loosen the tongue. The truth is wine is my buddy. Never needed it so much as I do now. This is like alcoholism though. It tears the whole family apart. I just wish people really understood it’s not just about the child.

This thread is terrifying. @Snappity why are you trying to pretend a female teenager is a male? It's not helping anyone, least of all the confused and vulnerable child

Leave our kids alone. Let us parent.

How's that for a new FWR motto?

Watch and wait means not socialising them as the other sex. They can be non conforming as much as they like in terms of clothes etc
Wearing trousers does not make me a man.
Snappity. Take yourself back to school and learn the difference between sex and gender. You seem awfully confused. As soon as you call he a she because of their dress code you are showing your sexism and maybe you need a little bit of counselling as you obviously are very sexist and think that females or males can only be this if they are the stereotype
However, as soon as you call a he a she by using pronouns you are indeed transmigration our kids. Take your shite elsewhere please. Save it for thé people you can bully and victimise. That’s what you are doing. You are a perpetrator of abuse. Really. Can you not see this. I am livid that someone like you can tell the OP and by default me that we are abusing our kids.
Does the very fact that we are on here not speak volumes. If I didn’t care about my child do you think I would not be in my bed. How can I sleep. I haven’t slept in a year. I can’t sleep. I am no longer a functioning adult but I get up every morning and get on with it. This is life. This is resilience. Am I suicidal because I can’t get what I want?

No
I’m distressed and sad and my world is shite but I continue.
Our kids will get through their distress and will survive if shit like what you say is kept away from them

Leave our kids alone. Let us parent.

@MNHQ

(They're also ultimately arguing against the very existence of Mumsnet, which I hope is gradually starting to dawn on MNHQ. Can't have a functional forum for mothers if every single comment must be filtered through the lens of "but what if someone who doesn't like the way this group of women are talking was to see their conversation?". HQ has already been through this with F4J - let's hope nobody decides to climb any buildings dressed as Batman this time.)

The idea that women may not have a space in which they discuss issues that affect us as woman because a trans person may happen upon those conversations and not like them is fundamentally unacceptable. A mother should be able to ask support from other mothers, on a forum for mothers, without being chastised because of the possibility that her child might find that forum and not like what she's saying there.

Anyone refusing to grant women that space is refusing to allow women to have boundaries, and that is not OK.

(They're also ultimately arguing against the very existence of Mumsnet, which I hope is gradually starting to dawn on MNHQ. Can't have a functional forum for mothers if every single comment must be filtered through the lens of "but what if someone who doesn't like the way this group of women are talking was to see their conversation?". HQ has already been through this with F4J - let's hope nobody decides to climb any buildings dressed as Batman this time.)

I don’t wish to be intrusive on yr personal life but you seem to be approaching this in an extremely pro trans way. Whereas most parents advocate watch and wait-80% of children desist transitioning after puberty.

Watch and wait means not prescribing hormones. It doesn't mean ignoring a child who has expressed a particular gender identity and it doesn't mean forcing the genie back into the bottle as some posters seem to want, unless that is the child's decision.