Suicide stats for women

The fuck?

You equate a woman not wanting her kids to find her after a brutal suicide method equivalent to a woman not wanting to smudge her mascara?

What is the matter with you?

"The problem has worsened since the highly publicised death in 2005 of Navjeet Sidhu, 27, who jumped in front of a Heathrow Express train at Southall clutching her five-year-old daughter and 23-month-old son. All three died instantly."

NothingOnTellyAgain
"Other point is that women may give more consideration to those who are likely to find them and therefore choose less messy methods/ ones which won't traumatise bystanders. Just a couple of thoughts.

Many women hang on for their kids also. Single parents for eg ."

When considering suicide the first thing that came to my mind was if my mascara would get smudged. I guess the Asian culture in Southall is just more pragmatic.

NothingOnTellyAgain
"Is someone complaining that women are rubbish at suicide? Nice. "

Where exactly has anyone done that in this thread?

The cause of death thing is very interesting. I had heard before about a preference for a verdict other than suicide and I suppose that could differ between the sexes.

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

Depressing subject all round.

The Samaritans had a lengthy comment about this on their last report into suicide.

It pointed out there were a lot of inconsistencies in the way suicide was recorded. They reflected that the difference between male and female rates wasn't necessarily just that men were more successful than women at suicide because they tend to choose more violent methods. They also pointed out that because of the way stats were recorded, it was perfectly possible that lots of women WERE indeed successful but the cause of death was given as something else simply because of the way they attempted suicide.

In other words differences between men and women might not be as great as the stats are suggesting at all IN ADDITION to more women attempting suicide but being unsuccessful.

They also made a comment that there seemed to be a recent uptick in the number of young women committing suicide. They strongly cautioned about whether this was a one off or the start of a longer term trend, stressing that this was something that needed to be kept an eye on.

They also reflected on the influence of social media and suicide on several levels which I'll refrain from posting, but to generalise the point is that social media useage wasn't a positive influence.

Is someone complaining that women are rubbish at suicide? Nice.

Other things into the mix.

Recent news that fastest growing group for suicide is young women.

Other point is that women may give more consideration to those who are likely to find them and therefore choose less messy methods/ ones which won't traumatise bystanders. Just a couple of thoughts.

Many women hang on for their kids also. Single parents for eg .

WonderFluid Most suicide is not well planned for days ahead. Most suicide is decided that day. That is why the number of people dying from suicide in Britain went down when the number of paracetamols you could buy at a time were limited.
South Asian women in Britain who are most likely to kill themselves are abused by Husbands and in laws. They have every element of their life controlled, so often have no access to money or to over the counter drugs. That limits their suicide methods in a way that most other women in Britain are not limited.
Access to methods matters a great deal. Which is shown when we look at the suicide rates amongst different professions.

And para suicide is the phrase usually used when people have no intention of killing themselves. Although they do sometimes succeed. Para suicide can be a warning sign of future suicide.

But read about people who try and jump off Beachy Head and have been stopped. Most never attempt suicide again. Method is not linked to how long someone has felt serious about suicide.

There is also an element of social contagion amongst young people with suicide. There are press guidelines to try and prevent this. They are not always followed. And the way many transactivists talk about suicide on social media is against these guidelines. And does increase the likelihood of suicide.

Crunchymint, regardless of the culture men are almost universally more successful at committing suicide than women. That is why this group of Asian women is interesting - they demonstrate that there is no such thing as a 'male' suicide method, only that some methods are far more effective than others.

Unless we regard these women as being more violent than their white counterparts, men included; do you?

And why is a gunshot to the head or hanging considered more violent, more male, than a pill overdose? Either one can lead to agony or a miserable post-suicide attempt existence should they fail.

I considered suicide once. The method I concluded would be the best is simple, painless and 100% effective. It is not violent in the slightest and it is common knowledge, if not commonly used - a few minutes on the web would draw most people to the same conclusion. Culture had nothing to do with it, whether my objective would be achieved or not did.

Within the context of the thread I do not think suicide rates amongst transwoman should justify erosion of womens' rights. If anything it simply demonstrates that they still think like men.

Yes

If this thread can avoid the whole 'attention seeking' bit i would be very grateful

Camper That is a disgusting way to talk about a group who commit suicide. Talk about a total empathy bypass.

If suicide is the actual objective, rather than just attention seeking

oy vey WonderFluid

revolting attitude

but please, do continue to compound this.

wonderfluid Looking internationally. How people commit suicide is culturally influenced. As is whether they are more or less likely to commit suicide. Google, there is lots of research around this.

www.standard.co.uk/news/abused-asian-women-behind-soaring-toll-of-railway-suicides-6614996.html

Crunchymint, which particular bit of socialisation convinces these women to jump on to rail tracks?

in the UK suicide is the leading cause of death among new mothers:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/new-mum-suicide_uk_58481bdee4b07fd553cef3d3

WonderFluid Socialisation affects the suicide methods used. Plenty of people attempt suicide and mean it, but fail. And others attempt suicide, succeed, die a drawn out death, and regret it. Your comment is way over simplistic.

Grey we should also consider those women who are left with life changing injuries following dv. They are not a stat because they survived, but often they were lucky to do so.

thebewilderness
"Male suicides as an indicator of the higher tendency to violence among males seems rather obvious."

So called 'violent' methods are clearly more effective. If suicide is the actual objective, rather than just attention seeking, then their use is grimly logical. There is usually nothing stopping women from using the same methods should they wish to.

I don't have a link for this, but during some recent Domestic Violence training I was told by a big DV organisation that 3 women a week commit suicide because of DV. So added to the 2 women a week killed by a partner/ex partner, that's one for every week day.

boatyard That is true. A friend killed herself, but because of pressure from relatives it was not recorded as a suicide. Even though all her close friends knew it was suicide.

children Abuse from Husbands and in laws, and the difficulty of leaving those situations.

Women’s suicides are often recorded as accidental overdose/misadventure against cause of death or open verdicts at inquest, whereas the methods men use are more clear cut & accurately recorded as suicides. This means its hard to make a direct comparison due to the persistent bias in the recording of stats.

Male suicides as an indicator of the higher tendency to violence among males seems rather obvious.

crunchymint

"South Asian women have a higher suicide rate than men. "

Why would that be?

My point being that, whilst suicide rates correlate to poor mental health and a tendency to use violence to "solve" problems, they aren't a measure of oppression.

I think it's an important thing to talk about, but we mustn't give methods in detail or glorify it.

Suicide isn't morally or legally comparable to murder because the suicide victim is their own perpetrator, they didn't harm a third party or take away a third party's agency and had some degree of choice about ending their own lives, unlike a murder victim who had no choice about it. I get really annoyed when MRA types use men's suicide rates as evidence of "male oppression": no, it isn't, women aren't making you kill yourselves, that's your doing, call the Samaritans and talk over why it is that you don't want to live the life you're currently living. The same applies to transwomen: women aren't making you kill yourselves, that's your doing, it's male violence against yourselves.

I’m not sure that looking by sex us helpful. It’s correlated to all sorts of stuff like ASD and childbirth and long term health issues & etc & etc.
And correlated to social media use. The often quoted trans survey was online - people found it and chose to do it. Interest in the topic means the results aren’t representative of the population.
I don’t think discussing this online is ideal. I will be reporting the thread in case the people in the Towers wish to delete..