Suicide stats for women

I agree with pp that suicide is not a competition, and the issues faced by different groups need to be considered independently, otherwise it's all a bit apples and oranges.

The reason it comes up is that some trans groups use dubious stats as a "you have to do what we say" lever, rather than look into why. For lots of women this rings alarms as it is a tactic we have heard before. There are also never comparisons to other vulnerable groups. It's all a bit worry.

wonder

nothing wasnt talking about the case of the woman and her children dying

She was talking about women not wanting to kill themselves in case someone they loved, mother, children, husband, found the body

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I think the point I was making, albeit sarcastic, about women 'not wanting to make a mess' given the examples in this thread was quite clear. Men who commit murder/suicide have been reasonably described as 'family annihilators' on this board. Yet you believe that by murdering her children she was doing them a favour."

I can't find anywhere on the thread that men committing suicide are described as family annihilators (and why would they be? Family annihilation involves more than suicide) and I definitely haven't said that women who commit suicide are doing their kids a favour.

Maybe have another go with posting, your last one doesn't make sense.

There was a drug being prescribed widely in the eighties that dramatically increased suicidal ideation and there was a huger correlation between people taking it and one car accidents.
I am sorry I cannot recall the name of the drug.

When there is a problem or injury that we cannot figure out how to resolve on our own it is appropriate to draw attention to it. Sometimes irrational people do this in irrational ways.
Doing things for attention and being selfish are accusations that girls hear from the time we are very small. They teach us to suffer in silence.

If you do not want people to suffer in silence it would be a good idea to encourage drawing attention to problems and injuries and encourage self care.
Do not teach your children to set themselves on fire to keep others warm.

The latest statistics indicate that male suicides are going down and female suicides are going up.
Still, it is the children being suicidal that I relate to. There is no escape from childhood. No safe place.

I don't know what the women's stats have to do with transwomens suicide stats.
Interesting to compare I suppose but one should have no bearing on the other maintaining their rights. Nothing justifies taking away our rights.
All suicide is awful and tragic, of course, and the samaritans guidelines should be adhered to, which they are often not.
I've known quite a few people who have committed suicide, one was an abused south Asian woman.
A couple were people with obvious and ongoing mental health problems.
Someone very close to me I suspect was suicide but was recorded as open because they were from a Catholic family.
I spent a lot of time thinking about killing myself when I was pregnant, I didn't because I didn't want my mum to have to find me.
I didnt know how to do it in a way I would definitely die and definitely take the baby with me.
Sounds so awful now. Unreal almost.

I'm surprised that the male figure of 84 men a week hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. I only read about it on here last week and I'm astounded by it!

NothingOnTellyAgain
"The fuck?

You equate a woman not wanting her kids to find her after a brutal suicide method equivalent to a woman not wanting to smudge her mascara?

What is the matter with you?"

I think the point I was making, albeit sarcastic, about women 'not wanting to make a mess' given the examples in this thread was quite clear. Men who commit murder/suicide have been reasonably described as 'family annihilators' on this board. Yet you believe that by murdering her children she was doing them a favour.

And you ask what is the matter with me.

my comment was evidently clumsy, and about a particularly sensitive subject. apologies

maybe distressing

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

In my darkest of days I'd be driving to/from work along 60mph cross country roads and I would have horrid intrusive thoughts about how I could just tip my car into the ditch/hedge at the side. I don't really know why I didn't do so but I can get a glimpse of why someone would.

There was no real suicidal ideation, more a very impulsive action (or non action) at that very point in time.

I'm in a much better place now, for me medication was totally the right course of action.

I think there’s a lot of misreading and misunderstanding, probably because so many people have been touched by suicide and it’s therefore a distressing subject.

I don’t think posters are intending to be flippant or upsetting

Yes and I suspect any work provided cover would pay irrespective for this in jobs with that stuff, as the chance of someone suicidal managing to hunt out, apply for and get a job purely because they had good life cover would be pretty slim.

The feelings of the family/ including not having talk in the community & maybe the religion angle are more likely I think.

Internet says typically won't pay for suicide within 12 months of policy being taken out.

The piece I read it was around the families feelings etc

I think life insurance in UK will pay if it's a certain amount of time after the policy was taken out.

The Roman Catholic Church does give funerals for those who’ve taken their own life, and has done since Vatican II in the 1960s.

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Plus its probably easier for the remaining family, especially if there are children involved

The cause of death thing is very interesting. I had heard before about a preference for a verdict other than suicide and I suppose that could differ between the sexes.

It's said a lot of cases where drivers lose control of vehicle with no others involved are suicides also, which makes sense.

My understanding is that life insurance policies are void if there is a suicide, though perhaps someone with a better knowledge of insurance & underwriting can explain this better. If a family stands to be left in penury & homeless you can see why they might push for an open verdict. Also, some religions have very firm beliefs around suicide which might make an alternative finding easier to bear.

I fear you may have misunderstood me crunchyMint, my post was intended to contrast the response to the much publicised suicide stats for trans individuals with the [lack of] response to the suicide rate among new mothers.

What a nasty piece of work :/

I know someone who committed suicide but it was decided it was an accident

So I guess that it wouldnt be recorded as suicide