regressive and (actually transphobic) supporters of the "woman's place" position

It's from a discussion in this thread. The question (paraphrased) was posed, if two people with penises who identify as women are performing fellatio on each other is it lesbian sex?

We are still awaiting a yes/no answer.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309768-Diva-editor-responds-to-lesbian-rights-alliance-article-in-the-times?pg=15

Apart from anything else, there will be women who have serious concerns about self-ID who are themselves conservatives. If we agree on this one thing then we can work on it together, even if we don't agree on other things.

but I have no more in common with a socially conservative thinker that worries if a man wears a dress

And that's ok, but maybe someone else who opposes self ID does. That doesn't make them wrong, it makes them different. Does it matter? Surely having the left and right come together on an issue is more powerful than saying this is a left wing thing and the right wing are bigots? We both oppose self ID, we have some reasons in common (safety of women and girls) and some not (meh, wear what you like). That we both oppose self ID and we have women's safety at heart is surely what we need to focus on. Look for the things you have in common, not the things that divide us.

Maybe having a ladybrain makes it hard to do algebra?

As far as the opening post goes, I agree with the OP that it's sensible to have an idea where someone is coming from if you're going to share their output. No matter what part of the political landscape that the someone might inhabit.

There's no harm with sharing things from a conservative viewpoint, just keep your eyes open. (In fact the trans issue has made me consider conservative viewpoints in a much more open-minded way.)

I see that 2d + 69 = L is yet to make it big-time on twitter. it definitely deserves a wider audience.

Garam

There is a clear and proud connection from anti-trans womens groups to the far right, this is no secret 'Hands across the aisle' exists.

Anyone can step a link from one website to another, permission isn't needed. Please supply evidence for your claim of a connection.

I'd also like to know the answer to 2d+69=L, by the way.

I understand you point OP, but it is possible to agree with some of the opinions of your 'opponents' yet disagree on others. Political tribalism is one of the reasons for this fucking mess, and I refuse to add to it.

if someone says they oppose the GRA because "men should be men and women should be women" (i.e. keep traditional gender roles) I am unhappy with giving them a platform

You might be unhappy with it but others might not. Others might be unhappy platforming gender critical transsexuals. Some might not care as long as the message is being shouted as loud as possible.

If you want the same result for different reasons sometimes it's sensible to work together. With the consultation out and the government being pressured to change legislation in a bad way is it not sensible to have their core voters mobilised to oppose this? Which means appealing to the conservative mindset too.

The title of the thread is a bit misleading. Lots of people across the political spectrum i.e. The vast majority of humans can see that there are issues with self-Id that need discussed.

I don't really subscribe to the idea that someone has to hold 100% of the same political opinions as me for their comment to be deemed worthy. I feel that sort of thing is half of why we are in a bit of a mess currently in all sorts of areas as it leads to political tribalism

Absolutely this. We don't need to be aligned on everything, agreeing with people on one matter doesn't mean you endorse every view they have. The suggestion that it does is pretty infantile to be honest and when it's levelled as an accusation it shows up the accuser rather than the accused.

This issue affects every single woman on the planet, regardless of politics or whatever else divides us. And each woman will have a different view on how to tackle it. Does that matter? No. Every voice matters, and every voice will appeal to different groups of people. Let's celebrate our diversity rather than try to create a single voice. We are not the borg.

As may the title of your thread.

I really think we should wait for an answer to the last question garam was asked before moving on to a new topic with them. More logical and efficient that way, no?

No there isn't. This is just the latest in a long line of smears against WPUK. They have nothing to do with the US far right, their founders are left wing, trade union women seeking to discuss UK legislation.

I expect they may well instigate legal action against those people like Dr Harrop et al who continually try to perpetuate this lie. Jennifer James managed to raise nearly 30k for legal action and I expect WPUK with all their supporters could probably do just as well if not better. Hiding behind a twitter handle won't protect anyone from a defamation suit.

handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/about/