regressive and (actually transphobic) supporters of the "woman's place" position

The only qualification necessary to be concerned about the erosion of women's rights is to be concerned about women's rights.

Yes, exactly. This is an issue which is central to women's rights.

Well said, Floral.

I've always been open about being Catholic here. I am entirely gender critical. I am anti-pornography and anti-prostitution, not because I hate women, but precisely because my religious beliefs are very firmly based in the dignity of the human person - women included.

I am not a feminist, but I am more than happy to dig in with my feminist sisters and shore up protections that look after the interests of all women, be they left wing, right wing, apolitical and more interested in Corrie than any kind of controversial arguments.

The only qualification necessary to be concerned about the erosion of women's rights is to be concerned about women's rights.

As a Catholic, I have a seriously thick skin about people attempting to shame me for being associated with horrible people.

What wrong is wrong, even if everyone believes it. What's right is right, even if no one believes it.

The TRA lobby will try and smear us whatever we do - no point worrying about it as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly.

I also find it fascinating that these same transactivists who try and paint the GC position as being in bed with the right were amazingly OK with cozying up to Maria Miller et all. Suddenly for all these revolutionary activists, the Conservative Party didn't seem at all bad. I wonder why?*

YY.

It's already been said but I stand with women on this and right wing christian women are as entitled to male free spaces as anyone else.

The TRA lobby will try and smear us whatever we do - no point worrying about it as far as I'm concerned.

Regarding toilets - we've all got to this point for different reasons. For me, it's crime statistics (if we can no longer point out male violence then we are well and truly stuffed) but I accept that statistics don't get the pulses racing. The thing about toilets is that they affect everyone. Prisons, refuges, sport don't.

As for Brexit - am I correct in remembering that Jeremy Corbyn refused to share a platform with David Cameron and Tony Blair?That ended well.

Purity politics on the Left is why we are in the ridiculous position of 2D+69=L being a real question

This
And you, OP, have immediately listed being a Brexiteer as right-wing. Not my fight, I don't live in the UK, but I find they give you a long list a disparate beliefs and tell you that if you believe in social justice then you also have to believe all kinds of other unconnected things.

Nowadays I prefer to do things on a case-by-case basis.

The next thing they'll be saying is that we all voted Leave and support Trump.

LOL at women supporting women's rights as rightwing...genuinely chuckling away at that one. What a complete dickish thing to say.

Here's the thing that men never get.

I don't always 'get' other women. Some drive me batty, some are annoying, some too girlie and some far too fucking scarey...in all i genuinely probably only ever had 20 good female friends my whole life...most of my friends were always men. But...i will always protect and stand up for women against men whenever needed...whether i know or like them at all. Because what connects us will always be strong and that is that all women - [even Nigella fucking Lawson] are at risk of male violence.

And nobody trying to pretend that resisting men's boundary stomping is right wing will ever stop women from saying 'FUCK THIS SHIT'.

Funny that is the biggest insult that Garam can come up with. Right wing - fuck off.

In many ways I think we need to be united. Perhaps apart from those who are really genuinely just awful and bigoted. I think if someone makes a good point, they make a good point. Whoever they are.

Just had this thought when reading another thread about Rod Liddle. He's a very questionable character but that doesn't mean that what he's saying about certain things are not absolutely correct.

Garam, you really should get in to see your doctor about that selective blindness. A handful of different posters can ask you the same question and receive no answer, but as soon as someone asks you a different question you miraculously regain the ability to read and respond. You're a medical mystery!

It is also infantilising religious women to suggest that they stand up for women's rights because of puritanical beliefs. A person's religious belief isn't the source of every view they hold. I will still vote labour and encourage others to do so despite their mysogyny. I just may not join the party or attend meetings. I don't think my views would be welcome. In the same way plenty of religious people vote left wing and hold strong views on social justice. But you may not see them pavement pounding with the party that "doesn't do religion"
This was well said:
You don't have to convince women that male violence and sexual entitlement are real phenomena, whatever party they vote for.

Don't let women find common ground.

That's what it boils down to, isn't it?

Have been happily resisting people telling me that I'm anti p0rn and prostitution because I'm secretly religious and/or right wing for decades now, and not falling for it in a different context now!

It always goes like this in feminism. Divide and conquer. Don't let women find common ground. Purge the wrongthink. Nothing new under the sun.

This is a good article. I don't need someone's entire writing CV to agree with a single article. I don't care if he supports Brexit. I don't care if he thought the Trump march was bollocks (I actually have no idea if he does but these are the arguments I have seen used the last weeks to justify why X is 'Nazi', Evil')

Honestly, it's becoming exhausting, no wonder we are being led down shit infested rabbit holes.

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-activism-is-now-just-misogyny-in-drag/21578#.W1YZ42RKi2y

I'm not interested in no platforming. Happy to stand on patches of common ground alongside people with whom I disagree on most other things.

I used to think that toilets were a distraction. But having read accounts of what a lack of single sex toilet provision means for women in countries without it, I now think that single sex toilets should be protected at all costs. Women fought for single sex toilets for a reason.

The 'what do women do in toilets' thread here was also an eye opener. Also the realisation that it's not all about me. I might personally be happy to share toilets in some situations but many girls and women are not. So long as women and girls want single sex toilets I will fight for them. My primary allegiance is to other women.

So now I think that the toilet issue is minimised, if anything.

The question of the day remains does 2d+69=L
Referring to women as non-trans pretty much defines exactly who you are, garam, and I will take Maya Angelou's advice and believe you.

It just might be possible that......

I am out of patience with people claiming that women's right to privacy and dignity in the public toilets is a minor issue.
Public facilities for females are the reason women are able to safely participate in the public sphere at all. We no longer had to stop at a friends house to use the loo or pee in a bucket in the alley when public toilets were finally made available to women.
Telling women and girls that if they do not want to put on a strip show for men to masturbate to in changing rooms, or change their tampon while men watch, they can all stay home rolls women's rights back to the 1850s.
This is no small matter.

Jacky doesn't give a shit what men think. And she just kept on saying no to them. I think this may have been the problem!

This is the base misogyny typical of trans activists.

This person is talking about the women here on FWR. We are all bitches, reliant on husbands we hate but won't leave.

And we are supposed to agree with their demands?

twitter.com/Henriettaspoon/status/1021419265394692096

Bollocks, Garam. Total bollocks. You can get banned from Twitter for feminist views while neo-nazis flourish. We see it and we are not fooled by your claims.

Garam

"It takes an overwhelming amount of abuse at trans people for twitter to take action. And they did, so please excuse me your feigned innocence."

Complete and utter nonsense, and I think you know it.

I also find it fascinating that these same transactivists who try and paint the GC position as being in bed with the right were amazingly OK with cozying up to Maria Miller et all. Suddenly for all these revolutionary activists, the Conservative Party didn't seem at all bad. I wonder why?*

• I don't wonder why. I know why.