The Times reporting on the harassment of A Woman's Place UK

Interesting that Helen has now protected her tweets.

Oh! Thanks R0wantrees - good news.

What is that all about then?

MsMcWoodle
The deadline for submissions has been extended to August 15th.

See thread for further info: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314942-Urgent-APPG-on-Hate-Speech-Crime-Submit-up-to-2500-word-by-this-Weds-25th

Or Selkies

Thank you, its not research... the information is just really spread out and things have been moving quickly in recent months.

You're selling yourself short there. You're helping us to join dots. Hopefully dots for investigative reporters to turn into something that blows the lid off those isingenuous motives of some individuals and organisations.

By piecing this fucked up jigsaw together and pulling together this mass of information you can disarm the baseball bats with facts.

Kelpies not keeping (damn sassanach autocorrect)

Why is it a mermaid anyway? They are mythical. Like unicorns. Like dragons. Like keeping. Like leprechauns. Oh.

The ‘Streisand Effect’ in full force here - TRAs try and shut down Women’s Place on Facebook and it ends up in the Times instead!

Slow hand claps all round for Mimmymum and friends.

This might be a good time to repost a link to the Hate Crime enquiry.
www.appghatecrime.org/inquiries/
False accusations of 'Hate' are being abused to silence women, as can be see by the actions of our favourite Mermaid, while not providing women any protection at all - there is no hate crime category for sex.
You can submit an email to voice your concerns, but it needs to be done by Wednesday.

There are some excellent comments on the Times piece. I firmly believe that when the shit finally hits the fan regarding Mermaids’ activities, it’s going to make what happened at Kids Company look like a vicarage tea party. Excuse mixed metaphors.

You've always got the right link to hand, r0wan. I like to imagine you've got a database

Anything more than two Google searches counts as research in my lazy ass book

Thank you, its not research... the information is just really spread out and things have been moving quickly in recent months.

Thanks R0wan. Woodward and Bernstein have got nothing on you.

Please don't stop.

R0wantrees Thank you so much for all the great research and linking to other relevant threads that you do. Your good work is very much appreciated.

Have some & .

Wrt the Times article - excellent to see how this is being reported in the mainstream press, and some cracking comments too. Someone was even so bold as to mention Mermaids CEO taking her son abroad at 16. What's the betting that was a MNer?!

Interesting video Moss. Very true!

Facebook still censoring WPUK.

It won't let them post their campaign demands:

mobile.twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1021427674793816069

Link to their ridiculously reasonable demands:

womansplaceuk.org/our-demands-2/

Don’t worry Helen, the times article doesn’t say you caused the ban only that it coincided with your tweet encouraging people to falsely report the page. Phew! You’re off the hook!

I find this clip thought provoking though not specific to this debate, about manipulating your audience... m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZBKX-6Gz6A

The abuse of a certain charity's position is absolutely chilling. It should strike fear into parents anf it does, but why not politicians?

James Kirkup asked questions of this back in May after the Home Affairs Committee
concluding:
"[Stephen Doughty MP], meanwhile, describes as “extreme” and “hate material” an article which observes that some people lobbying for changes in the name of transgender people are advocating things that might not be in the best interests of children. I have never met Doughty but have generally heard good things about him from colleagues: bright, committed, thoughtful and so on. So I must assume that he was having an off day when the committee met last week. It happens to us all, after all.

Surely a bright, thoughtful chap like him didn’t mean to imply that it was his job as Member of Parliament to tell newspapers what they can and cannot write? Surely he had no intention of acting as if it is in any way appropriate for a politician to decide what is and is not acceptable for journalists to say, and how they say it? And I can only hope that it was by a simple accident that he singled out by name a female journalist and suggested that her employers stop her saying the things that she thinks – because Doughty happens not to like her saying those things?

As I say, I must assume that he meant none of these things, that he had no such moronic and bullying intent when he spoke and acted as he did. I assume that Doughty is an honourable politician determined to do his job in a democracy and ensure that matters of public policy are debated fully and honestly, whether or not some people find such debate offensive. Because, as I am sure Doughty knows, there is no right not be offended and if we ever let hurt feelings stop us discussing matters of public interest on the basis of the facts, everyone loses.

And it is because I am sure that he is wholly committed to such debate that I decided to write this article. Thanks for everything you’re doing to encourage the free press and open debate, Mr Doughty."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Mermaids is going to go the way of Kids Company. Only with much more damage in its wake.

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The abuse of a certain charity's position is absolutely chilling. It should strike fear into parents anf it does, but why not politicians?

Why not? Exposure of children to this. Exploitation, grooming. It's all shades of wrong yet volunteers and trustees lurk behind a facade of 'support'

It's wretched.

I honestly don't think it's going to be long before Mermaids get into real difficulties.

I hope so. Kids need protection.