Rod Liddle Times 22/7Meanwhile the transgender lobby still on its surreal march to deny reality'

Ah yes. I forgot that the way we cut t-shirts and prescribe them to sexes is how we define gender. Silly me!

Lol.

Well if 30 trans women have discussed, in an Internet forum, if symptoms are similar to periods, clearly that is a lot more authoritative than any actual women offering an opinion on what constitutes "period-like".

repeated

I didn't know we had a lobby
Here you are, a definition of 'lobby group'
a body formed to influence legislation on a particular issue.
"the grassroots campaigning of lobby groups for public education

Here's (just one) of the many lobbying activities that GIRES states they undertake - from their own website.

www.gires.org.uk/what-we-do/advice-to-policy-makers/

The crepeated delusional denials of the most basic of facts is .... interesting.

I hate sharing agreeing with an insufferable shit like RL (or JHB, Hopkins etc). It’s one of the reasons I have to keep going back and asking myself why I feel like this.

Rod has definitely been hanging out on here to come up with those two things. Though I suspect it's approached from a "what are those daft feminists whittering on about now?" standpoint.

I didn't know we had a lobby. Hahahaha

I'd share a meal with Rod Liddle in preference to right-on Owen Jones any day of the week.

Like it or not, a large proportion of the population agree with him.

"On the front of it is written,in rainbow colours:'There are more than two genders.'Scroll down and you'll find that there is a choice of precisely two fittings - for men or women."

Ah yes. I forgot that the way we cut t-shirts and prescribe them to sexes is how we define gender. Silly me!

If any of you are truly gender critical; you'll know that a women's t-shirt is in no way inherently belonging to women. It's just that our society decided to cut t-shirt thst way to emphasise certain aesthetics. And so celebrating this tired old meme (its about Riley Dennis and I think either Blaire White or Shoe0nhead got there first, by a coupe of years) is kind of silly and antithetical to what the general community here claims to believe.

"Meanwhile, the transgender lobby,still on its surreal march to deny reality,is insistent that men who transition to being women can suffer very badly from period pains"

I didn't know we had a lobby. Neat. Also we are not and were never men; even if other people really want to believe otherwise. Though I agree, trans women don't experience period pains, it's probably just trapped gas. Hahaha.

I only saw one trans woman say that she did have period pains and I saw many trans women say she was wrong. Including about 30 of them in my discord server, where we had a good discussion about it all.

In short; we came to the conclusion that depending on the method of hormone therapy you're taking you may experience some of the things common during periods which rely on hormone levels changing. It's unlikely to happen if you're taking daily pills, but if you take monthly injections then there's a significant drop off of oestrogen in your system by the 21st day which could cause some period like symptoms.

I think the whole "trans women have periods" thing is a silly hill to die on though. Many women don't have periods, I don't see why trans women would need to argue that we do, as if it's somehow affirming our womanhood?

RL in general is a rather disgusting person though. I don't think many of you would support a lot of the other things he says.

If a really bad person, of dispicable political views and low moral character said “the sky is blue” does that make them any less reprehensible? No. Does it make the sky any less blue? No.

Not suggesting that mr Liddell is reprehensible, just that your, or my, opinion of him in general has no bearing on the truth, or otherwise, of what he says.

This “ooooh, bad people say the same as you, that means you’re wrong and a bad person” is so childish. It offers no argument. It also doesn’t seem to work both ways - there are some truly awful people saying “transwomen are women” and yet we are not allowed to simply dismiss the statement based on their awfulness (not that we would, there are plenty of real reasons to dismiss that statement)

Let's not do reductio ad hitlerium yet again re Mr Liddell.

Looking forward to the natural progression then and we eventually get a thread that says 'Yes, Nick Griffin is a bit of a twit but he's right about trans people, let's applaud him on that one.'

It's been mentioned on a couple of other threads where it had some relevance.

He's someone who's not afraid to call a spade a bloody shovel.

Let's not do reductio ad hitlerium yet again re Mr Liddell.

He is a twit and worse. He can name reality and is not afraid to.

Or his conviction for DV against his pregnant wife!

RL is a twit

That's putting it mildly. I'd do a bit of research on his views on racial issues before praising him too much.

He's clearly been reading FWR recently.

Strange allies indeed. RL is a twit, but he's right on this. Good for him. He'll get a lot of abuse (but not as much as women speaking out).