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What positive outcomes would you like to see from GRA reform?

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 15:15

One thing I would like to see and that urgently needs done is (in Rowantrees words):

"clarify and make explicit the difference between sex and gender and recognise the widespread confusion /potential risks / issues / obfuscation and / or misunderstandings which currently exist."

It needs to be explicit about the confusion and issues and address this clearly in legislation and/or practice.

The original GRA was designed as a legal fiction for a tiny number of gender dysphoric transexuals. We now have mass confusion about girl brain vs boy, magical thinking and biological denialism.

The purpose and meaning of enabling anyone to be legally recognised as the opposite sex needs to be crystal clear.

What else?

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 18:01

Also who is Jo sorry I appear to have missed something?

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 18:00

Hi Foxy what is the Goodwin & I ruling?

Retaining the requirement of a medical diagnosis would be in accordance with international law.

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Floorplan · 22/07/2018 17:55

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foxyliz26 · 22/07/2018 17:48

Any changes to the GRA 2004 will have to comply with The Goodwin & I ruling , anything else UK government would face massive fines

But please go ahead petition This government to withdraw from the HRA 1998

Nelson is likely to get his eye back before that happens !

Jo and I support Transsexual peoples rights, we don't support self ID or Transvestites or cross dressers !

the fudging on the original act was to take into account the huge numbers of F2M,s who don't seek Genital surgery !

and contrary to belifs most F2M ,are gay , and they do have relationships with gay men !

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 17:39

This is really useful.

Definition of:
Gender Identity
Transgender
Transwoman
Transexual

Word to use for biological females in law and policy clarified and agreed with the say of the 52% of the population it applies to.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/07/2018 17:38

We women are one of those marginalised groups, Snappity!

But you have to love a trier!

Bowlofbabelfish · 22/07/2018 17:34

Explicit clarification in law of what the meanings of the following are:

Sex
Gender
Male
Female
Woman
Man

Strengthening of provision of single sex spaces and services as appropriate

Absolute rejection of things like confidential disclosure in schools.

SarahCarer · 22/07/2018 17:22

@snappity it is not really possible for half the population of the world to constitute an "elite" group. It is certainly not possible for the half that is less well paid and generally more oppressed than the other half of the world to do so.

Melamin · 22/07/2018 17:18

Strengthening of evidence based medicine, review and research - like with the screening decisions - in more areas of medicine, most definitely including paediatric GI clinics.

terryleather · 22/07/2018 17:12

Goddamn nature and its biological elitism making men male and women female just to fuck off Snappity..

Baroquehavoc · 22/07/2018 17:10

A clear seperate legal and social category for natal females is another essential.

Yes, I don't understand why people would deny that this is needed.

Snappity · 22/07/2018 17:08

And there is the biological elitism out in full force again wanting to relegate trans women, based on their biology, to be a separate group with fewer rights. History has - rightly - condemned those who have tried that with other marginalised groups.

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 17:07

Makes sense to me.

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Floorplan · 22/07/2018 16:50

It may seem complicated but degree certificates have different classes, disabled athletes have different classes what's the actual problem? We should have different classes of gender recognition with certain activities or rights only open to those with appropriate categorisation. And sex as on bc is just what it says - sex at birth. Certain things only open to those with appropriate BC. And we need to urgently get rid of this proportionate justified crap.

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Wanderabout · 22/07/2018 15:49

Like that idea Floorplan.

A clear seperate legal and social category for natal females is another essential.

Without that, sex-based rights are basically unworkable and therefore lost. It is also needed for things like sex based statistics needed to monitor male violence, make prison planning meaningful etc.

Your range of birth certificates idea would fit nicely with that.

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Floorplan · 22/07/2018 15:28

Perhaps the gender certificate should have certain levels: self certified, medically certified, with without dysphoria diagnosis, with without surgery, with certain things open to those in class a others only to those in class c etc . To enable posthe operation transexuals to partake as fully as would be reasonable without clowns with beards and penises turning up.

Floorplan · 22/07/2018 15:24

I don't think BC should be changeable. You should have a right to anew additional gender certificate when 18, which should be acknowledged as allowing certain rights, and overriding your BC in certain situations. But there should be complete sex controlled gatekeepers on certain areas like prisons. Which don't depend on proportionate this or that. They just are.

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