The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

But u still never explained none of u wat I ave as a women that makes u want to be me

Wat is it I ave That u want t9 be like

I think it's reasonable to feel 'not male' and identify with being a woman, yet not necessarily want to undergo painful surgery with risks of ongoing health problems
Perfectly reasonable to express your sense of self however you want to, but it must also be accepted that by choosing to retain male genitalia means that you should not be in women's private spaces.

You are entitled to the same rights as any other born males.
Transgenders currently have more rights than the rest of the population.
In an effort to strip women of their rights the transgender advocates have opened the door to reducing gender reassigned people's rights to the same level as the rest of us.
I can see where that would upset you.

I must confess that I'm behind with the acronyms and don't know what TWATW and TWAW mean .

The thing is, noone wants to make life hard for other people, do they? But when one group of people tell another group of people that they have to accept that they are going to have their privacy, rights and freedoms curtailed because any member of another group can claim membership of their group, just by saying 'I feel like I belong to this group', and there will be nothing that anyone can do to check, verify or exclude that person from the group, because the inclusion criterion is "self-identification", then you can understand the feeling that they are being sold out for an ideal.

If 1% of the population is trans identifying, and 50% of those people are trans women, but 50% of the population is male and 48,167 rapes, 70,159 sexual assaults and indecent assaults on girls, and the lists to on, in 2017/2018, that's a lot to open our girls up to. Because you can guarantee that people who have the keenest interest in girls and women will want to self-ID for the wrong reasons.

homefromthehills

After that I hope to get back to my (sort of) retirement!

you and me both, I had hoped I'd retired to go live my life away from all this but like the godfather they pulled me back in lol.

trans woman are indeed trans woman they do require most of the same legal rights that other woman do. saying that does not change biology or anything else but we do require those to participate in society. society as choosen to grant us those rights and for that I am grateful but in no way am I complacent in that those can not be taken away again. if you get to change societies view that we should not have those rights then what do you expect me to do? how would you expect me to function productivity in society of those rights were suddenly taken away. I have no choice but to fight what some people on here propose as it effects my very ability to function in society. like the bathroom bills in America we have no choice but to fight for our rights to carry on our lives. now I know some on here are actually looking for a way to preserve that and also define who have those rights. but there are some who want to take them all away and don't care how they effect us. maybe other people can ask them what we should do as all I ever get is its not our problem. I have fought all my life and I'm tired and I would rather not any more that I thought we may have got to a place where we had achieved that. yes sometimes I think people push too far for too much and that society is not yet at that place and may never get there. most of us just want to quite life free from persecution. we are nothing like the picture that is often painted of us.

right bed time night night all

@littlebrowndog I totally agree with what @hometothehills said to you in reply to your question (apart from the retirement bit... unfortunately not there quite yet)

I don’t mean to be rude on u by way home

Ta home

But does that mean u don’t want to be a woman cos it’s a hard thing to understand in wat it all means.

Scratching my head here at Snappity attempting a gotcha moment by suggesting that having a penis surgically removed is being compared to having a limb surgically removed by these awfully unreasonable women.

Well, yes, Snappity. I'm totally unclear why this is confusing or shocking to you. Removing a body part is removing a body part, no?

Littlbrowndog you may need to go ask the transactivists on Twitter that kind of question. They will not come on here.

Transsexuals who are on here are not 'wanting' anything 'you have' .

In fact speaking for myself I don't want anything at all. I have been living very happily and quietly a pretty normal life for a long time and not remotely full of any stereotypes.

I would rather have nothing to do with all this trans nonsense, just as you probably wouldn't.

But it is what it is and we have a degree of common cause in trying to stop the changes that potentially could follow the planned changes to the GRA.

After that I hope to get back to my (sort of) retirement!

trans women are trans women (TWATW not TWAW) and that is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of

Exactly. This is what most of us agree with.

The whole TWAW thing is bull, everyone knows it, even the bloody TRA. How does it help anyone if we pretend people can actually change sex?

And again, if surgery is so horrific that most don't go down that route, then why the fuck is it being pushed on kids asap? Or is it because most teen trans are FTM so the TRA don't give a fuck if they cut their tits off or become infertile?

Women, children and transexuals are all collateral damage.

Ah, I see they're appropriating conversion therapy, as well as intersex now.

Well am still waiting to hear wat it is I have as a women that somebod6 wants so badly

I’m also trying not to be cross at the naïveté that suggests women don’t have to prove anything. Demonstrating difference.
Try being a gender non conforming woman instead of a gender non conforming man who believes this makes him a woman.

Transwomen’s Insistence on adherence to feminine stereotypes is making it much harder to erase gender stereotypes. Not helped by the prevalence of transwomen on social media trying to assert they are better at womaning than butch lesbians and ugly TERFs.
It’s very damaging that the socially dictated rules of gender are narrowing in response to the trans ideology. It was frustrating enough before. But misogynists will always seek to define womanhood and police inclusion.

But trying, if you are comfortable in your life as a transwoman, believe that TWATW and not TWAW, how do you square women being forced to accept that there is no difference, and the dissolution of sex-segregated spaces? You can’t on the one hand say it’s just an everyday variability, and at the other believe it is not only necessary to change your documentation (but not your body) and that women’s legal protections should be dissolved?
Why does the sex class woman have to be changed to incorporate male bodied people?

Trying I am "enjoying" your posts (for want of a better word)

Trying

I don’t understand why u want to be me. Wat ave I got that u want ?

Am a woman.

I really don’t understand it

@L0UISA you’re a biological woman so you don’t have to ‘prove’ anything.

But for trans people going through the gatekeeping process, as part of our ‘real life experience’ we have to change our name via deed poll to something more feminine (or masculine), have all our documents and ID updated to prove we’re living in role and present as ‘female’ or ‘male’ e.g. wage slips, utility bills, driving license, passport.

Now we’re in 2018 some of this does sound a bit silly. Depending on which gender clinic you go to and which Doctors you see some can have very 1950’sish stereotypical views of how a trans person should present (but I don’t think they have spy cameras and unless it has changed, only see you at appointments).

I think that aspect, IMO, is social construct and stereotypes. I’m not a makeup addict and my main thoughts on going to work each morning is ‘shit is that the time’ and ‘have I got everything I need?’. If I’ve got five minutes to make myself look presentable to myself that’s great.

But how anyone acts of either gender should be up to them. My dysphoria has nothing to do with clothes and makeup.

I think it's reasonable to feel 'not male' and identify with being a woman, yet not necessarily want to undergo painful surgery with risks of ongoing health problems

Absolutely, and I think that is a position most people would whole heartedly support. It is important to note though that the person you describe is indisputably male, and that this cannot be changed.

Now you are equating medical transition with amputation of a limb

In what way are they different? Seems like a very fair company to me?

It’s a load a shite stuff though5 up by attention seekers and feck only knows how they got the power from our cowardly politicians.

Pffft the cowards

And get this shit3 stuff away from kids

and, because transvestites do not identify as being female most wouldn't want to”

Men with autogynephilia absolutely identify as being female.

The trans widows thread on this very site is a testament to that.

Men can’t turn into women. Women can’t turn into men

Who the feck knows. Totally bonkers

“No because for me most part they don't live as women so they would not be entitled to Self-ID and, because transvestites do not identify as being female most wouldn't want to”

Could someone please explain what it means to live as woman?

I have a unisex name, wear mostly unisex clothes, have short hair, work in a job that is mostly male and have hobbies and interests that are more common in men.

How do I know if I’m living as a man or a woman ?

What would be the deciding factor ? How could I prove it ?

Thank you homefromthehills for your perspective.

YourFriendly etc
It depends on how you define female. If merely having XX chromosomes is enough - then yes absolutely. There are XX trans women who exist.

What? The very definition of female is XX chromosomes. How can a woman "transition" into something she already is?

Today biology, tomorrow we'll repeal gravity?

People, Occam's Razor applies - the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. In this case - chromosomes determine biological sex.