The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

So we have gone from"I'm friendly, let's chat" to "I'm going to go away now because there are too many of you and I can't keep up" to

I know what you are all saying, I realise how you feel, I know what you think but fuck you, I don't care about you, I don't care about your safety, I only care about myself and my rights and what I want and me, me, ME, ME, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

That was quick.

Vitriol -
Look at the numbers for "forced penetration." I consider this rape - though the statistics do not because the legal definition of rape in the US also does not. So any comments about rape entirely ignore this huge chunk of people.

If I thought of myself as a leftist, but found that I disagreed with every single thing every leftist I encountered said and that the writings of Marx and Engels drove me to spitting rage, I might at some point ask myself if I was really a leftist after all.

Especially if being a leftist required testicles, which I don't have.

If women's sex segregated safe spaces are useless and women are just as bad as men anyway then why the fuck do you want to invade/destroy them so badly? Hmmm? Why? What is the problem with just leaving them as is for we women who actually appreciate the rights our foremothers fought for? Who the fuck ordained you the master of women's boundaries? Go make your own gender neutral spaces with our blessing, but leave my spaces alone.

Also, your cdc statistics - news article interpreting stats actually - the actual cdc statistics showed that almost 20% of women (the cunty kind) have been raped in their lives, compared to 1.7% of men. It also said that in the past 12 months 1.6% of women had been raped - you get that? A man's lifetime risk is my risk every. single. year. They defined rape as completed or attempted forced penetration or alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration
Envelopment isn't penetration, so who is doing most of the raping? Well, let's see shall we?
For female rape victims, an estimated 99.0% had only male perpetrators. In addition, an estimated 94.7% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators. For male victims, the sex of the perpetrator varied by the type of sexual violence experienced. The majority of male rape victims (an estimated 79.3%) had only male perpetrators
I'm trying to dig deeper into the numbers and questions asked but getting server errors and getting bored with this same old mra bullshit.

Wow, just wow! I hope your friendly neighbourhood trans doesn’t live in my neighbourhood.
What they would know, if they had any notion at all of what it is to be a woman, is that their behaviour on this thread is deeply alarming, and it’s so obvious to every woman Reading that they come with a carnival float and an entire motorcade of red flags.
Your friendly, only 0.2% of the population are in prison for sexual crimes, but the man who raped me isn’t in prison, in fact it would only take one phone call for me to find out exactly where he is and what he’s doing right now. He was my best friend, before he raped me that is, so I thought he was one of those nice, safe males to be around. To be honest I don’t think he was trying to hurt me, he was just getting carried away and ignoring my nos because he wanted to fuck me. He did hurt me though, because he put his own desires before my boundaries, and at that moment he didn’t care about me or my body beyond its use to him, and no, the fact that I knew him well didn’t make me feel any less sick or violated. It’s not the 0.2% I’m worried about, because they’re in prison so they can’t hurt me, it’s all the other men like my ex best friend, who I might even learn to trust in time, before I find out what they’re really like. He didn’t rape me in a women’s only space by the way, he actually pushed me into the men’s shower room, but the point stands because I don’t know what a man’s intentions are, even the ones I think I know well. Women have a hard enough job keeping ourselves safe in public spaces, and even with the men we know well, so we are not about to allow them to bully their way into our sex segregated spaces as well. It’s a red line, and if you don’t understand that, I refer you to the carnival float and Intyre motorcade of red flags you’re displaying.
It’s your behaviour that is the problem here. You’re the one waving the red flags and charging through women’s boundaries.
And yes, I’m sickeningly aware that this post might be wank fodder for some man’s sick rape fantasy, so speaking about it, even anonymously on the Internet, is traumatic.

I get that you automatically sympathise with the male in those situations, Friendly. Also that you cannot see the point of view of the women on this thread.

Datun, I've posted two examples counter to the narrative you believe in - and a government ran phone survey which also counters your narrative.

I can't believe you're still saying it despite the evidence to the contrary.

To any women, or lurkers on here, who are struggling to read to this misogyny.

Please be aware that more people are aware of it, the less likely it is to continue.

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary

That pretty much sums up Trans Ideology in a handy bite sized sentence.

Indeed. Also pairs nicely with the "men don't like being told" thread.

Yourfriendly
I'm not sure if you've chosen to read much that has been discussed on the FWR chat board?

These are some relevent threads which may be of interest:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Not sure if you are based in the UK (& obviously not asking) but posters on this thread did identify laws / regulations which may be being disregarded:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243189-Uncomfortable-about-unisex-toilets-at-work

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3183434-Wrong-bathroom-sign-in-university-toilet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280690-Hostelling-Scotland-allows-men-to-self-ID-as-women-and-have-access-to-womens-dorms-and-shower-rooms

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3286751-Male-who-IDs-as-female-calls-police-after-being-denied-entry-to-female-toilets

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3286124-The-case-against-only-offering-unisex-toilets-and-showers-including-single-occupant-ones

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203737-This-advice-isnt-right-from-Stonewall-is-it

there are as you would expect many more threads & discussions

This is a derailment. The topic at hand is about rape - as apparently sex crime

Again you're not getting this.

You ackknowledge, I believe, that sex offending is about power, not sex.

Women not have the physical power, nor the influence to hold over men as a threat in order to get sex from them.

I can't believe I actually had to type that.

I don't think you have a legitimate boundary

^^That pretty much sums up Trans Ideology in a handy bite sized sentence.

It's hardly unique to 'supposed feminists' to be able to spot, and be automatically wary of, a male body in a private female space.

(Or indeed a female one amongst males, but the level of justifiable wariness is much lower.)

As it happens, I'm not too worried about public loos. Go in, see someone who sets your senses tingling, smile politely and leave. If it's not the only loo available to you, the risk is small. The situations that worry me are where there is no choice to leave - schools, prisons, camps, locked wards, patients needing same-sex carers.

Crone
"I actually find even that hard to believe, that a typically smaller, weaker woman can overpower a man and force him into sex. Do men actually get aroused when in a situation where they are terrified for their life and being forced into sex with someone they are not attracted to?"

This is rather a disgusting comment. Would you say the same thing about women who are rape victims? The implication here is that to be forcefully enveloped, one must be aroused - but physical arousal is a result of stimulation and just as with women who are victims, its not a controllable part of your body in any way. That is to say, victims of rape shouldn't be looked down upon because they got wet or hard. Don't be like this.

furthermore, women are only typically smaller and weaker than men - not always. Not to mention most of the cases of women raping men that I've seen used weapons. I posted on case already which used a machete, here's another which used a knife.

www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2017/11/woman_18_accused_of_raping_man_1.html

It’s not about you though, neighbourhood, it’s about RULES.

The rules are, no male bodies in ANY female designated spaces, and you are trying to chip away at them.

And we say NO. It’s not about YOU and it’s not about US, it’s about our daughters and our mothers and women who are more vulnerable than us, women that speak English as a second language or who have been traumatised by men in the past, it’s about women in secure mental hospitals and prisons and on NHS wards.

The CDC ‘rape’ statistics aren’t linked to crime though. The definitions are problematic and I for one am extremely sceptical of ‘they made me do it’ as an excuse for inserting your penis into someone else and then telling a survey this was a sexual crime against you.
The rates are interesting, and deserve further research where definitions are clear. I can’t find the actual research doc, but I would be interested in their methodologies.
Either way, sex segregated spaces would also prevent people with penises from being forced to insert them into women, wouldn’t they?
Win win. Protect those guys I say.

So all this "Let's have a conversation" thing was really, "whatever ever women say I'm going to do what I want anyway."

I swear, if women ceded the word woman to men and called themselves squirrels, men would be stuffing nuts in their cheeks and dangling off bird feeders inside of 20 minutes.

I'll tell you for free what it feels like to be a woman. Irritated and tired of having to say the same thing over and over again, that's how it feels.

A tiny number of people think sex is a binary

More than 6 billion is a tiny number when compared to the vastness of infinity, or some shit like that, right?

Betty
I've already stated I won't use rooms which dont have cubicles. Not because I think "ew males in muh female spaces!!!" but because I have dysphoria and that whole idea is a nightmare for me mentally.

As I said... 99% of the time you'll never even know I was in there. And that 1% is the few times when I've been asked by other women for tissue or tampons or whatever.

Lancelottie
I'm not your sons or even a son. I'm a daughter and a woman. Why should I use the men's room?

i had a search for more information about the forced penetration issue, and found this.
www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/29/cdc-mra-claims-that-40-of-rapists-are-women-are-based-on-bad-math-and-misuse-of-our-data/comment-page-1/

Which explained that it was all based on poor analysis of data from here.
www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

Actual figures are
Nearly 1 in 5 women in the United States has been raped in her lifetime (18.3%) (Table 2.1). This translates to almost 22 million women in the United States.
Approximately 1 in 71 men in the United States (1.4%) reported having been raped in his lifetime, which translates to almost 1.6 million men in the United States
Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported having been made to penetrate someone else in his lifetime

Most perpetrators of all forms of sexual violence against women were male. For female rape victims, 98.1% reported only male perpetrators. Additionally, 92.5% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape reported only male perpetrators

The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%)

According to these figures, men rape women in about 5 times the numbers that men are forced to penetrate women.

I actually find even that hard to believe, that a typically smaller, weaker woman can overpower a man and force him into sex. Do men actually get aroused when in a situation where they are terrified for their life and being forced into sex with someone they are not attracted to?

because anyone who would attack another person doesn't give a heck if they "aren't allowed" in those spaces.

I expect someone has already explained this, but here goes.

Under the old rules if I sent my daughter into the toilets/changing room/bedroom and a guy followed her in I'd drag him out again and call the police.
Under new rules I must assume he is a girly and I must not even check my daughter is safe as that would be rude.

If it helps we make burglary illegal even though people could enter your house anyway.

Agreed, Telephone. As tedious as it is for those of us who've read all this bollocks before it really is illuminating for those encountering it for the first time, especially with the addition of smilies used as a way of saying "fuck you, ladies, there's nothing you can do about it!"

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans

You really ought to stop typing. Or, at the very least, take a look at some of the threads on here.

You are tediously predictable.

Do not use intersex. Transwomen are not intersex. The intersex society has insisted they not be invoked to further the argument of trans ideology.

Apart from anything else, attitudes to surgery between trans and intersex are diametrically opposed.

And you are just digging yourself a bigger hole with the rapists don't take notice of signs nonsense.

Voyeurism is rampant in female intimate spaces. Men hide in cisterns, for goodness sake. Men who are not allowed in female spaces go to extraordinary lengths to access them. If you go to female changing rooms, or indeed family changing rooms, repaired holes in the walls is not a rarity.

Men do not need to rape women to make women feel desperately distressed. The reason you are setting the bar so low is, again, because you don't understand. Eleven million posts in under 24 hours. MeToo was not all about rape.

You are not listening.

A man can make a woman feel desperately threatened, uncomfortable and distressed without breaking any law, whatsoever.

A raised eyebrow, an overlong stare, a smirk. Moisturising his thighs...

The fact is every time a TRA or MRA comes out with this stuff we have to start with Feminism 101.

But guess what. Women are saying no.

It's not the beginning of a negotiation. It's not an opinion.

It's a declaration.

No.

YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodTrans wrote - "the percentage of the male population currently in prison for all crimes (the vast majority of which are non violent) the number comes out to about 0.2%.
I don't deny that if you experience violence in your lifetime it will likely be a man commuting (sic) the violence. However, I do disagree with you that this is grounds for distrusting all men, males or even people who have penises as each individual you run into only has a 0.2% chance of being a criminal."

Prisoners are only a subset of criminals. The 0.2% percentage (or 1 in 500) is for the proportion of men who are currently in prison in the UK. It does not refer to the number of male criminals in the UK. The percentage of men in the UK who have engaged in criminal activity and perhaps even served a prison sentence in their past is, however, much larger than 0.2%. (For example, in England and Wales (2006), 24% of males aged between 10 and 52 had a criminal record).

Despite "only" 29% of prison sentences being for violent crime, the chance of meeting a violent male (criminal or not) is also much more than 0.2%.

Psst, BabelFish - A tiny number of people think sex is a binary - I think your autocorrect may have TRAed you here.