The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

Yes, going to the bathroom sounds very grand.

I expect goldplated taps and the prolonged use of one of those big powderpuffs.

Bathroom is only ever for rooms with a bath in them

In my mind, I usually imagine that a public one would have an avocado suite.

Would the women's have those crocheted crinoline lady covers on the bogrolls?

Is it? CDC numbers in the USA show that "forced envelopment" happens almost as much as women are raped by men. The only difference here is one is legally considered rape and so taken more seriously than the other.

Go fucking well friendly I'm out. I was prepared to discuss real stuff not horseshit.

Further to another post upthread, I just wanted to note this hasn't affected my respect for hill and tryingtolisten. I'm done engaging with this TRA though.

Also not the point of the thread either, but it's operations, not "surgeries".

Bathroom is only ever for rooms with a bath in them

In my mind, I usually imagine that a public one would have an avocado suite.

Thank you Datun!

Loo at home, toilet when in polite society.

I actually asked a man where the bogs were at the hospital the other week. I was surprised I said it, then slightly embarrassed, then didn’t give a fuck.

Oh yes, don't get started on the toilet vs lavatory debate. You'll get dragged into what's common and what's not. Or u and non u (and whether it's bad to even talk about it).

You'll be here for daaaaayz.

Never thought of it that way! "Excuse me while I go take a 'rest' in a room that smells like shit, where I might contract herpes or get raped." Toilet really is the better term. Succinct and to the point.

Don't even get me started on American "rest areas!"

I think 'Temple of Convenience' was rather wonderful... I seem to remember a book of the same title with a collection of some of the most wonderful examples. Lucinda Lampton?

Re: words for toilets - some variations geographical and class based, I use toilet when making posts about same sex facilities but loo colloquially, ‘WC’ when being fake-posh and ‘lavvie’ when being purposefully crass.

Bathroom is only ever for rooms with a bath in them.

Lol.

Spending a penny.

GeorgeFayne

Thank you but please don't adjust your language- I wouldn't dream of suggesting you did such a thing! (unsurprisingly this being the English there has been for many years a toilet / loo / WC divide also! )

It's worth reiterating that Fairplay For Women's statement which is the OP is in response to a current UK Government consultation.

I just want to reiterate that I feel a lot of sympathy for HomefromtheHills and Tryingtounderstand who both posted way back at the beginning of the thread.

They are both examples of (in my experience) average dysphoric transwomen, able to understand what’s at stake for women and girls, and likely to get thrown under the bus by new-fangled TRA types.

I absolutely stand with transpeople as they fight for adequate healthcare and the right to transition without discrimination in the workplace, appropriate elder care, proportional representation in public office etc.

In return, I hope they can stand with us as we oppose the removal of necessary safeguarding structures for women and children. I believe more and more transpeople are realising what’s potentially at stake.

AAK that remind me of a Cecil Parkinson quote. He was very camp and famously adored his cats. When asked once where they were by a visitor, said they were "in the garden, powdering their noses."

The shitter!

george

The bog

(I use loo...)

"Restroom" has to be the most euphemistic of all American terms for the bogs, surely?

We don't tend to say WC, restroom, facility or bathroom.

We say loo, toilet, sometimes lavatory if you're being polite, or the ladies if you're specifically asking. Excuse me, where is the ladies? But it's a bit twee. Toilet, or loo, generally.

I think the best one I ever saw was "powder room". Sounds so ladylike, like you just nip in to reapply your makeup and please nobody mention pissing, that would be so uncouth.

It amuses me that the default American terms for toilets all try to divert attention away from what people actually do in them.

Vicky
Thank you!

I have been in less oppressive male-dominated environments than this.

See? Terrible shock when you can't shut women up, isn't it?

ah right, so now my womanhood is contingent on me automatically agreeing with whatever it is you say? Doesn't sound particularly feminist to me,

Honey, my womanhood gets doubted here too whenever I dare to disagree. Truth is, if you are a gobby woman on MumsNet and stand up for trans women, intersex women - or are one of those two, that it doesn't take long to be called a TRA or man.

As you say, it's the opposite of feminism encouraging women to find their voices. Here one is expected to agree with the majority line. I have been in less oppressive male-dominated environments than this.