The vast majority of male born transwomen still retain a penis

Same as trans women’s fears about male violence in same sex spaces are genuine and fact based.

And women’s fears are scare mongering and without foundation.

And trans women’s feelings about their privacy are real and must be respected at all costs.

While women’s feelings about privacy are bigotry and literal violence.

Well women’s psychological distress is just normal innit.
Not remotely comparable to men’s.

And then how could they justify not including FFS and other surgeries which also probably be said to address dysphoria.

I think they would have more difficulty arguing it if hair removal isn't offered to trans people in all areas but only some. If it is discretionary and not a universal treatment protocol.

I suspect they would manage to argue that there is a necessity for transwomen to have facial hair removed to treat their dysphoria and that women with male pattern facial hair growth don’t suffer dysphoria due to it. While that may be true in a strictly medical sense (in terms of reaching the threshold for a diagnosis of dysphoria) there are so many women who once again have their psychological distress dismissed and minimised.

I know. I bet it could be considered so.

Shame they don’t offer that treatment to women with PCOS who I’ve known to suffer significant dysphoria from their ‘male pattern’ hair growth.

How is that not sex discrimination?

As in they are all lumped together.

Interestingly the Specialist Commissioning Group for NHS England for Women and Children also covers Adult Gender Identity services.

I came across my area’s commissioning policy for surgery for GD recently while looking for the policy on something else. It made quite interesting reading. While genital surgery is funded when considered a necessary treatment for an individual’s dysphoria, breast augmentation, FFS or surgery to reduce the appearance of the adsm’s apple is not. Hair removal treatments are funded, but apparently limited to areas of the face where it is strictly necessary- presumably beard area for transwomen. Shame they don’t offer that treatment to women with PCOS who I’ve known to suffer significant dysphoria from their ‘male pattern’ hair growth.

There was an NHS England & Scotland recently published:

'Analysis of public consultation on
proposed service specifications for
specialised Gender Identity Services
for Adults'

www.engage.england.nhs.uk/survey/gender-identity-services-for-adults/user_uploads/report-independent-analysis-consultation-responses-gender-identity-service-specifications.pdf

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249704-NHS-consultation-responses-on-new-Gender-ID-service-interesting

This will be relevent to future health care provision

Ha ha. Wine, dine and strong penis. What more can a man offer a girl?

No.......

Scared to ask

Ok, what's that about then?

So you haven't seen the AIBU thread where the lovely Tomasz is offering to dine and wines us yet then.

I thought the fish finger thread was bad enough, now we are on ginger and horses' anuses?

I'm wit you on avoiding the stir fries George

From George's link - the idea of ginger up the bum was bad enough, but this?

"According to some, the insertion of ginger root into the anus or vagina can lead to longer and stronger orgasms. But does it count as one of my five a day?"

(Runs away screaming)

Also, will nobody think of the horses? I'll never be able to watch dressage again.

Message number 666

“What was terrifying wasn’t the make-up or the drag, the padded lace bras, that monstrous red satin corselet or the way he tried to strap his balls away between his legs (no wonder when he wore high heels he walked so oddly).
No, what was so chilling was Toby’s mincing, simpering, obviously totally sincere mimicry of what he thought a woman was - deep down - really like. It was a travesty, an insult to her sex, and that was what Kate, who had never heard the word “transvestite” found so shocking.”

Reading this the thread, I was reminded of the above extract from Lace, written in 1982. Toby appears to have AGP and has no intention of further transforming into a woman other than wearing clothes and makeup.

fair point. I imagine seeking hormones is way more common than surgery.

SophoclesTheFox

This is what the NHS offers, which seems to be pretty comprehensive.

I can't quite work out if breast implants are free, though. Although hormones to create breasts seem to be.

And yes, you'd have to have a diagnosis before you get treated. The same as anything else on the NHS.

But the point is claiming people don't get the surgery because it's too expensive, doesn't really wash in the UK. It's far more of an American problem and whether or not your insurance covers it.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Yes, the surgery might be expensive but so is facial feminisation, if not more so, and it seems there are trans women who prefer facial feminisation surgery.

AAK

Have we seen off all the British MRAs?

Maybe they work in shifts (the comments section on any mainstream media article about feminism being the day shift)?

because the surgery is insanely expensive

Why would you be paying?

Have we seen off all the British MRAs? that’s rather heartening isn’t it? Numbers must be low.

Not sure if that's 100% true, datun, is it?

Perhaps with a diagnosis of dysphoria. But most trans people still don't actively seek it, as I understand it - NHS or otherwise.

There's massively more breast implants and FFS than genital surgery, though they all tend to get rolled up into the same stats.