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James Kirkup speaks up again - 'Are female prisoners at risk from transgender inmates?' The Spectator 20/07

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/07/2018 10:56

Another great Spectator article
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/are-female-prisoners-at-risk-from-transgender-inmates/

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LangCleg · 20/07/2018 16:52

I love him for those prods to the politicos. Cowards, the lot of them. Leaving the risk and the danger to ordinary women. The bastards.

Popchyk · 20/07/2018 16:36

James Kirkup on Twitter:

twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1020275741769060352

"Govt is consulting on legal changes. This group holds public meetings to discuss that. Some people try to stop those meetings. I know senior ppl in govt & Parliament are worried about free speech in this context. Time for them to speak publicly"

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 20/07/2018 15:54

Good, concise article. Thanks James.

JackyHolyoake · 20/07/2018 15:50

This statement resonates:

"But I believe that how we treat the weakest and worst among us is a comment on how we conduct ourselves as a society. "

LemonJello · 20/07/2018 15:41

Faultless logic.

The conclusion I come to is that everyone considers these women to be acceptable collateral damage.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 20/07/2018 14:43

Great work James. I love that you found submissions from expert psychologists saying 'yes this will happen'. We are so often told that it won't, even when it has...

HotRocker · 20/07/2018 14:28

Hi James, thank you.

Another request for you to look at secure psychiatric wards. It has a particular personal interest for me.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 20/07/2018 13:44

James Wine nailed it as usual. Thank you

Floorplan · 20/07/2018 13:39

Thank you james your articles are amazingGin

OlennasWimple · 20/07/2018 13:38

Thank you again James Star

womanformallyknownaswoman · 20/07/2018 13:32

When setting policy, did they take full account of the interests and views of women, including those women who find themselves confined by the state in the prison system?

Or did they fail in their duty, fail to consider the implications of their decisions for the weakest and most vulnerable among us? Did they fail women?

By way of answer, I note only that earlier this month, the Government published a consultation proposing to make it easier for male-born people to attain the legal status of women, and thus obtain access to the spaces and entitlements that the law currently reserves for women.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/07/2018 13:29

@DawnMumsnet Flowers

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 20/07/2018 13:29

Thx James for your tireless work.

The full text is on the AIBU thread towards the end:

Bowlofbabelfish · 20/07/2018 12:22

Another excellent article.

These are some the most vulnerable members of our society. Their punishment is loss of liberty - the state takes their liberty and has a duty to keep them safe and a duty or care towards their safety and health.

These women are at the sharp end of this debate. They cannot remove themselves from the situation, they are literally locked into it. If we see them being harmed by a policy or decision it means that policy is harmful. it’s immediately harmful to those women because they’re literally, physically locked up with the consequences but it implies that policy will be harmful to society at large.

As *langcleg points out, women in locked wards are similarly vulnerable.

This is a nightmarish scenario for these women. I hope this article opens some more eyes.

Thank you james. this is important stuff.

Ereshkigal · 20/07/2018 12:19

Thank you James for standing up for women and girls! Another great piece.

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DawnMumsnet · 20/07/2018 12:13

@BoreOfWhabylon

R0wantrees. Good idea. I've asked MNHQ to amend title.

All sorted.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/07/2018 12:08

R0wantrees. Good idea. I've asked MNHQ to amend title.

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NotMeOhNo · 20/07/2018 11:58

Thank you James Wine

TheresaMayIsATory · 20/07/2018 11:48

James along with Janice Turner should be recognised for their work.

LangCleg · 20/07/2018 11:41

James - if you are lurking, firstly hi and thanks! and secondly, please could you investigate locked mental health wards. Sectioned women have even less of a voice than female inmates do and there has already been one instance of inappropriate inclusion on the basis of gender identity.

metro.co.uk/2018/01/14/woman-who-feared-men-accused-of-transphobia-after-objecting-to-hospital-room-with-trans-woman-7227597/

These women - prison inmates, sectioned women, women in refuges - desperately need voices. We must speak for them.

BettyDuMonde · 20/07/2018 11:41

Thank you for you for speaking up for women and girls, again, James.

The peculiar climate makes for plenty of related topics to blog about, at least you never have to stare at a blank page wondering what to write!

R0wantrees · 20/07/2018 11:39

@BoreOfWhabylon Might you consider asking MN to ammend the title of the thread to include the title of the article please? It's an important one and makes it easier for people to find it. Many thanks

Wanderabout · 20/07/2018 11:34

And to be clear this needs to change because vulnerable women detained by the state are at risk of abuse as a direct result of this.

What are you going to say to them?
"Don't worry dear, Stonewall says transwomen are women."

Wanderabout · 20/07/2018 11:32

It makes me so angry that no one in politics is speaking up for some of the most vulnerable women in society.

Just because they are afraid of being called bigots.

Total political failure on behalf of women. The GEO has been taken over by Stonewall. You have no one politically able to represent the conflicting interests of women and biological males who say they are women. This needs to change.

mimivanne · 20/07/2018 11:27

thank you James

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