Who will get to keep the babies born of prison rape?

It makes no difference, women are raped by guards.
There have been responses like
It makes no difference, women were raped before they were imprisoned
It makes no difference their families will pick up the slack and they'll keep the babies anyway - no harm done

There really haven't been responses like this. These are minimising rape. No-one here has done that and it is pretty insulting to suggest they have. People have pointed out some true facts about the question in your OP. But no-one has minimised or said they don't think what happens to women shouldn't be discussed. They have just asked you nor to make up sensationalist stories.

If there are some male guards impregnating vulnerable womem in jail, shouldn't we call for female only guards in female only prisons?

I completely understand why you are so upset OP. It seems the implications haven't been thought through properly.

You are really misrepresenting the posters on this thread clarice. No one at all has claimed that rape of female prisoners = no harm done.

Sexual abuse and rape have been rife in women's prisons for years, and these issues have been going on for years. The existing facts are bad enough without resorting to lurid speculation, and rape isn't only bad if it's a transwomen doing it.

Numerous people have rightly pointed out your lack of knowledge of the issues already facing female prisoners (and failure to do even basic research), and ignorance of the processes that are already in place to deal with female prisoners who give birth or get pregnant in prison.

Not one single person has said it's not a problem, no harm done.

If multiple people all think this thread is offensive for the same reason, maybe you should consider whether they might have a point.

Agree with donquixote

Taking quotes from different posts, some of which were actually responses makes it look a certain way. People will paint things a certain way what ever the fuck you say.

I'm not trying to paint anything. I don't see how those quotes are misrepresented, but if they are not what was meant then someone who intends ill can do the same as me.

@WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice. If your intention is genuinely to have a discussion about this issue:

• Can't you see why your choice of words comes off as hyperbolic?
• Can you see why I might wonder at your motivation?
• Would it not be better to ask for deletion and repost with a slightly different tone? I think the topic of children born in prison is an important one and as @LangCleg rightly points out, this hasn't gone great has it?

But it does piss me off that people are so afraid of things that make 'us' look bad that they vigorously and publicly stamp on it/you to silence before engaging.

I think it's healthy to want to focus on the facts and details and to think about how to communicate them if you want people to listen. Loud and (rightly) angry sometimes works, but not on a topic like this.

What a surreal thread

It's a shame the thread went so combative. We could have done better at aiding each other's understandings and misunderstandings than we did and would have achieved more in the way of providing a voice advocating for very vulnerable women.

Will there be a pressure on prisoners to turn a blind eye or even be complicit in baby farming to supply the demand?

given extraordinary powers and privileges, it could lead to them breeding babies to be sold into sexual abuse

Maybe it could be a nice little earner. Off the back of relaxing surrogacy laws in the UK so people can farm/buy babies more easily.

Let's imagine one wanted to discredit MN-FWR, for some reason.

Let's imagine one wanted to paint it as totally deluded, spreading irrational lies and conspiracy theories. To suggest that the people posting are either bigots or being misled.

Surely this is the kind of thread one would post?

What a surreal thread

And I actually mean they don't care about trans prisoners (not just women's prisons). It's about proving you really believe if you close your eyes tight enough that TWAreal W

You are working on the assumption that the lobbying to relax adoption/surrogacy laws will be unsuccessful.

What lobbying? By whom? All the legal moves in recent years have made it harder to sever parental rights, even in the most extreme circumstances. There are more SGOs and fewer adoption as a result.

They seem to care an awful lot about prisoners with "an 8 inch surprise" who headbutt barmen to be able to do what ever the fuck they want so this is clearly not true.

They don't care about prisoners there though do they. They care about trans people because the trans lobby have told them too repeatedly and loudly and we're not meant to question why the trans lobby isn't trying to make life easier for transexuals and why it is instead destroying women's spaces.

Did you mean misandry @deydododatdodontdeydo?

Why aren't people up in arms about the vulnerability of gay men in prison?

Because few people care about criminals. They never have. Male or female.
This thread is dripping with the usual misogyny - women are poor, vulnerable things who are never responsible for their own actions.
Of course some prisoners (male and female) have been damaged by their upbringing and experiences - failed by the system if you like.
But these are adults who have made choices. They've been incarcerated due to their own actions.