Diva editor, responds to 'lesbian rights alliance' article in the times.

If you are married to men and attracted to men, why would you think or identify as a lesbian? seems weird to me.

If you are male, why would you 'identify' as a lesbian? Givern lesbians are female homosexuals?

I hate the word 'identify' when it comes to sexuality (or indeed many things too). I don't identify as bisexual, I simply AM bisexual. You cannot identify as something you are..as you would just...be, you can only identify as something you are not, IMO.

That's all very well dear, but what about the very important equation?

FloralBunting I think maybe one of the problems is that 'bi-phobic' isn't the most accurate word to use, but it seems to be a fairly well accepted word which is why I was using it.

And of course if there is a general air of homophobia as there was at my school, it doesn't not effect your just because it's not directly aimed at you - and as I wasn't willing to join in with that, and would in fact make pro gay rights comments I was putting myself in the line of fire anyway. Given I was bullied pretty badly it's amazing I didn't get anything more than the occasional bit of verbal abuse over it.

Of course it meant I wasn't going to come out as bi.

What I've really not liked with some of the things I've read recently (as I said in a previous post, went down a rabbit hole!) is partly the hipocrisy of complaining about the negative stereotypes of lesbians while spouting the negative stereotypes of bi women and just erasing us altogether by classing us as 'het' women. (I also read an argument that heterosexual mother's have the most privilege, completely ignoring the issues and potential for discrimination that come with pregnancy - in the UK it's a protected characteristic for a reason)

On a lighter note I did laugh at 'het' turned lesbian women being identifiable because they have short hair and wear dangly earrings that are longer than straight women would wear. Described me as a 16 year old

If someone with a penis is flexible enough to perform felatio on themselves... is that a lesbian act?

It's like Zeno's paradox or something..

Garam's paradox

2D + 69 = L

This has to become a meme

And all the talk of these lesbians as privileged - DFOD

Indeed. Lesbians are so privileged compared to those poor oppressed heterosexual males eh

Its just utter nonsense. Have been arguing with some friends over this and they seem to understand it all a bit more now and a few have even came out as GC since seeing me 'going public' so to speak. I am 'out' IRL, just I didn't dare on social media for a while...but I could not stay out of it when seeing people kicking off about lesbians protesting fucking rape culture and such. Claiming they were making up this behaviour from transactivists and that. And parroting transwomen are women too. Oddly enough, like usual, when I asked what definition of women they were using that included self identified transwomen but excluded men, they had no answer. Same old.

2D + 69 = L

Garam, help us! Can you, or can you not, solve this equation for us?

We can maths it up a bit maybe by swapping words for letters...

2D + 69 = L

2 dicks + 69 = lesbian

I think garam is just too shy to claim credit for the equation of the century. It's almost Einsteinian, right?!

Had to come to this thread to blow off some steam, after this story came up in a feminist group I’m in, where everyone is calling the signatories disgusting, sickening etc. Sometimes I feel like my head is going to explode.

Want someone to blame? Blame stonewall for literally including cross dressers and gender fluid in their definition of trans, ergo trans women are women, ergo if you as a lesbian exclude cross dressers and Dave who identifies as a woman on the second and third Wednesday of every month from their beds, they’re disgusting bigots.

And all the talk of these lesbians as privileged - DFOD

2 dicks + 69 = lesbian ??

Do we have an answer yet?

Call me pedantic but it seems to me that we already have perfectly good words for females who are sexually attracted to both female and male bodies, and for males who are sexually attracted to female bodies. In neither case is that word 'lesbian'.

I am always mistrustful when people try and impose new definitions on us. It makes me wonder what their motives are.

Come on garam, don't be shy!

I said nobody has the right to re-define a lesbians sexual identity because you disagree with it.

Erm, its lesbians attempting to drag the meaning of lesbian back to what lesbian has always meant before men decided to redefine it, actually.

Great conversation about lesbians/bi there.

I too await @garam

Placemarking.

lang

Likewise!

Your audience awaits, garam. Do tell.

I expect you are both quite right, but I cannot disregard self preservation entirely.

Oh, absolutely, thebewilderness. I think it's a combination of those two things.

I barely slept all night with anticipation of garam's pronouncement on a double penis 69. It was almost like Christmas. How will I ever wait for another day? Sigh.

It may in fact be precisely the thing that lesbians don't want to put their fingers on...

Who are the 135 signatories, sorry?

@FloralBunting you can't put your finger on it, because it isn't there! Or maybe you could put your finger on it but would rather not!

I did see it happen once in the comments under a YouTube video. The reaction from the gay man being encouraged to examine his preferences was as you might expect, and that was that. No long follow up thread telling him off and shaming him for his lack of inclusivity. I'm trying to put my finger on what it was about him that exempted him from the witch hunting accusations. So hard to know, really...