I wholly reject the term cis woman

@SarahAr When "cis" was confined to academia, there wasn't a problem. We now have Alison Moyet being monstered on Twitter for refusing "cis" and TRAs sporting "die cis scum" tattoos and calling lesbians who refuse them sexually "cisbians", so it's very definitely now a pejorative exonym.

It is an academic term en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender used to avoid othering trans people. So you have cisgender/transgender, heterosexual/homosexual, neurotypical/neurodivergent etc.

Which field of academia? It’s certainly not a term used in biology. No serious scientist uses such terms or has any doubt about how human sex works. If you’d have espoused this view when I was an academic people would have thought you were very odd.

It also others women but I suppose no one gives a toss about that do they?

Unfortunately I can only see the abstracts of the papers cited in the wiki piece, which aren't enough to work out why the terms were invented .... the definition in the wiki "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity" is in terms gc people reject.

If it was intended to avoid 'othering' trans people, it fails, as it does exactly that. The only purpose it serves is to render 'man' and 'woman' ineffable.

Thanks Datun, I like "please don't refer to me as something I'm not."

As for a term meant "not to other trans people" - they are "other" from women if they're born as men. That doesn't imply inferiority of course.

Cisgender is not some term invented by trans activists to insult women. It is an academic term en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender used to avoid othering trans people. So you have cisgender/transgender, heterosexual/homosexual, neurotypical/neurodivergent etc.

You may not identify as straight, but if you don't identify as gay, then you will be labelled heterosexual.

It is that simple.

Mogleflop

What do you all say to someone who uses it? I don't know how I'd coherently explain my dislike of it in just a few seconds.

In real life, any objection is going to need a confident air/girding of the loins.

You could just say please don't refer to me as something I'm not.

Can you imagine the reaction of men in this situation? Consistently being referred to as 'not a woman who... (identifies as a man)'

Oh yes, you are defined as a person who is not a woman who ...

They wouldn't entertain it for a second.

And then if the person goes for the second option: but it's just a description of someone whose gender matches their sex. Say well mine doesn't. Just that. Don't bother explaining further.

Make them work for it.

Because then they would have to ask you if you're trans.

And if you say no they would have to keep asking questions.

It means they are on the back foot, not you.

Because ultimately it comes down to a different definition of gender. One is an innate essence, the other is a set of stereotypes.

And that's where the disagreement will hit.

But by that time, they have demonstrated a willingness to badger you, which should be counted with stop misgendering me.

It's all rather tedious. But, fortunately, the objection to cis is entirely rational, logical and evidence based. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for an 'innate essence'.

Yes, Donkey has described it perfectly. I've really appreciated her posts on this thread.

I am NOT 'cis'. I wholly reject that label.

DonkeySkin explained it well, worth repeating:
'Cis' is designed to displace women from the subject position within our own category of being. The women who do use it are signalling their subservience, their acceptance of their 'place' in the sex hierarchy. That's why it's so often preceded or followed by an apology or confession of ignorance/humility ('As a cis woman it's not my place to say...')

In refusing to apply it to herself, Alison Moyet was explicitly rejecting this subservient position; she was refusing to be reduced to a subcategory within her own sex. This is why, even though she apparently endorses every other aspect of trans ideology (including 'TWAW'), the TRAs came so hard for her. Can't suffer a woman who refuses to submit to her proper place in the Church of Genderism, where up is down, left is right and women oppress men simply by existing as independent beings.

I shall always say that they should not dare misgender me and I have an inner sense that my true identity is that of woman or real-woman if I'm feeling confident

Where do you work cath that this is dangerous? Just so you know I completely reject cis it is just getting more unusual to hear of workplaces standing against it. Sadly.

"I think it's pretty obvious that I'm a woman. So please refrain from using any silly prefixes to emphasise the bleeding obvious".

Every time someone calls me cis I just tell them I am not a subcontractor in the construction industry or related trade.

The few times the issue came up I asked them please not to use slurs or pejoratives like cis, terf, bitch, whore, or slut, when speaking to or about women.
They were kind enough to refrain.

I’d say I preferred not to be addressed that way.

If they made a fuss and demanded why I’d tell them. They can listen or not and I’ll take as long as I like

What do you all say to someone who uses it? I don't know how I'd coherently explain my dislike of it in just a few seconds.

Absolutely. I'm not part of a sub-set. I'm a woman. Nuff said.

I also wholly reject cis. I am a woman. It does not need to be explained any further.

I reject cis because to embrace cis implies I’m down with all the ridiculous gender stereotypes that have been used to hobble me since the day I was born. If I’m cis I’m alright with pinkification, compulsory high heels in the workplace, the gender pay gap, housewifery, sexual submission etc etc as I’m identifying with it. I don’t identify with my oppression. It’s absolutely nothing to do with trans people.

My analogy is like it’s insisting everyone is gay or straight and if you say you’re bisexual you’re a liar and you’re either gay or straight so pick one and that’s who you are even though it does not fit you. It’s a straight jacket, not a tool of liberation.

I've never heard anyone use CIS in real life and if someone uses it to me I shall act dumb and ask them to explain it....

Agree bewilderness. It's not possible to reclaim misogynistic slurs.

Now that members of the male half of the population have taken all the words formerly used to refer to the female half of the population all that's left are the slurs they scream at us when we tell them no.
Many years ago women tried to reclaim the word Bitch to empower themselves, just as Black people tried to reclaim the N word. We cannot reclaim what was never ours. These slurs have always belonged to the white male ruling class, and they still scream them at us when we tell them no.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are

Good post bd! I didn't know that either of those words existed but they are useful ones.

@ErrolTheDragon Yup, it looks like exonym is the better word.

in addition to being a shoe of dominance as outlined above.

Show. I said it was a draft.

Very good - just slightly confusing mix of exonym and xenonym. According to this wikidiff.com/exonym/xenonym , exonym might be slightly more accurate in this context?