Misgendering and abusive male pattern behaviour

The level of influence from porn, the hyper sexualised avatars of little girls, using teenage girls as an expression of your internal sexual identity. Its extreme. That ois what jeapordises trans rights. THat that has been accepted and normalised and seen as synonymous. Not women discussing existing law and being able to recognise a dangerous male.

Oh wait, the word confusion wasnt what I was looking for. There is no confusion here because these things are static which is why wre have laws and systems that are shaped by this. There is no confusion here, because when you are discussing splits in offending rates and care application rates and the sex split is regularlt in the over 90% one way, then there cant be any confusion can there. That would be ludicrous. Male pattern abusive behaviour is the correct term, we do have sits of political responsibility for it and mothers are the bottom line of that political responsibility and htis is Mumsnet so every mother on here knows this bottom line. So I dont think it can be confusion at all, I think its something else much more familiar.

As over 90% of care orders are made with the mother as the primary applicant(Cafcass website, national statistics, or I could send you the original research I have done repeatedly monitoring this, and as violent offending rates are similarly at 95-98% sex split am not entirely sure of the reason for the confusion and as the freedom programme, criminal law, public family law and private family law have been shaped around this and this is the core of intersectionality, in fact this IS intersectionality, I am confused as to why you would be confused by any of this. Are you sure its confusion cos those rates dont change year on year, the sex split doesnt change..

So far I have ONLY seen transphobia used to silence those clearly being faced with male pattern abusive behaviour. Inclusion in equality legislation does ont get you dominion over other people, it is barely recognition equality is contested., this notion that it and gender recognition means women have to lose the ability to identify and manage male pattern abusive behaviour, that it means safeguarding is done and gives one group dominion over all others is batshit. The media debate on this is extraordinary, and yet here we are, a safeguarding debate requested, women now threatened routinely and a massive demonstration of male pattern abusive behaviour as activism with institutional backing. THAT is what will jeapordise trans rights, not mothers pointig out existing law and responsibilities and the context.

I think its a great idea re: Freedom Programme doing Mumsnet training. Really.

''It seems to be suggesting that anyone supporting doctors deciding on appropriate medical treatment'

We have very serious and sophisticated frameworks for assessing contested medical treatment for children, with a huge list of stakeholders. Parents, teachers, doctors, judges, other family members, young people themselves. You'll have to point me in the direction of where twitter and activists managing their own identities fit in that list, cos as far as I was aware a parent would be chastised for ignoring the child cruelty act(section 1) and Children Act frameworks for medical treatment. We do not discuss medical treatment for children, by focusing on adults who have identity issues, we discuss the treatment, the thing its treating, the child, and the context in which they live. This isnt new. Not going anywhere.

Snappity, the difference between our positions appears to be you not knowing the sex split in offending rates. I am discussing male pattern offending, and this is consistently demonstrated in every country including this one. Which bit is confusing for you? The understanding of this is wound deep into our laws and systems is this new to you? Context you were not aware of? Children Act updated 2005, women can lose their kids for failing to properly recognise MALE pattern abusive behaviour and can be mandated by law to attend courses learning how to. Freedom Programme comes to mind.

I#ll give examples without naming anyone so I dont get accused of misgendering. If you are requesting a safeguarding debate, a prominent spokesperson in that debate has a history of extreme violence, is CURRENTLY expressing that they believe female consent is not only a irrelevant but an injury to your identity and you state you feel validated by a newborn infant being denied nutrition to gratify an adult male because that male identifies as female, thaht is three crucial pieces of information in a safeguarding debate. That is past behaviour, current attitudes and attitudes to people who are vulnerable. It doesnt matter in that instance that you have appeared in vogue because its a safeguarding debate and THAT is the only three pieces of information that matter. Similarly if you are twice the sizre of most women, you write rape apologism and regularly argue their sexual boundaries are yours to overcome, that is an expression of your gender, even if you see yourself in a different way. Intersectionality was about laws and systems that evolved around these power dynamics. Safeguarding. Domestic abuse. This stuff hasnt changed and isnt going to. Any adult demanding that ALL people around them alter and are subordinated to manage how they see themselves is expressing idsorder. The only way I can account for how screwy this safeguarding debate has become is that media and politics institutoins are not aware of the laws they are the site of political responsibility for.

If you are demonstrating the behaviour which the Duluth Wheel will give you an outline of, which is very much male patern abusive behaviour and routinely used to subordinate, and which until the middle of last century was hidden in family units, you are demonstrating male pattern abusive behaviour and recreating power relations to subordinate women. At that point you are expressing your gender. If you are identified as an abusive male, because someone is managing risk you have said you pose, you are having your gender and sex correctly identified, that person would be chastised by the courts for prioritising your identity if you harmed their children. This is the law that binds British mothers, and they and politicians are the baseline of responsibility for this. If you are expressig your gender through male pattern abusive behaviour, it doesnt actually matter how you see yourself. It never has and never will. Which is why the social media debate on this is so bizarre.