Pussy Riot pitch invasion

Yes.

'Utterly devastating' - give over. I've been at games where people have got onto the pitch - usually some pissed up male who thinks we all want to see his knob. Everyone has a laugh and it's over in the blink of an eye. And if it had really happened when England were 1-0 down to France, it might have worked in England's favour (dream on).

Did you read YetAnother's link?

What tactics should women in Russia use to protest, if Pussy Riot are going about it the wrong way and under the control of men?

But this is an FWR board? Surely we should be concerned with questions of sex and gender?

And what, I ask again, do you think are suitable methods for protesting in Putin's Russia?

I suppose a bigger question here is what kinds of protests for women and by women succeed and what kinds fail?

You know hornets, an awful lot of people were shocked, upset and hurt by, for example, the Get the L Out protest at Pride.

How do you feel about that protest in terms of its impact on bystanders and the people there's to celebrate Pride? That impacted on an awful lot more people in terms of spoiling an event of cultural importance to the participants and spectators. Here it's been celebrated as brave and heroic, if somewhat misunderstood.

Protest pisses people off. It's kind of in the job description.

speakingwoman I know of two 'events' that Pussy Riot were involved with (one of them not actually Pussy Riot but one of the members involvement - thanks AssassinatedBeauty).

Both consisted of invading a public space (one a museum and one a church) to have sex in front of people (including children) or to play music. In both cases the ordinary people witnessing these events were shocked, upset and hurt, especially the people who were worshipping in the church.

I only know about these incidents because I read an interview in the Guardian with one of the members (which I've looked for but I can't find now). I found these methods of protesting quite shocking and disrespectful. I only remember the description of the events, I can't remember what the message of the protest was supposed to be. That's why I think their methods of protest are hugely flawed.

radfemworldnews.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/pussy-riot-whose-freedom-whose-riot/

No, not FEMEN. There are cross-overs between PR and Viona though.

LaSqrll, not so fast with the hat eating....

The "orgy" and the chicken vag thing weren't pussy riot, but another protest group called Voina. The media have frequently wrongly attributed both actions to PR so you're not alone in making this mistake.

Tolokonnikova was part of a performance in which couples were photographed having public sex in the Timiryazev State Biology Museum in Moscow in February 2008.[167] This exhibitionist act was intended as a satire of Dmitry Medvedev's call to increase the birth rate in Russia,[168] but was typically described as an "orgy" by the media....

Some critics made little or no distinction between Pussy Riot and Voina, incorrectly attributing past actions of Voina to Pussy Riot. In particular, a notorious performance by Voina in St. Petersburg, in which a woman stole a chicken from a supermarket by stuffing it in her vagina, is sometimes cited by detractors of Pussy Riot. However, there is no evidence that members of Moscow-based Pussy Riot participated in this action.[162]

You can find the full text on the wiki entry, along with links to sources.

So no, still not accepting the porny descriptor, nor the assertion that the collective is led or governed by a bloke.

Wow, the above article pretty much echoes my point.

The chicken supermarket incident was Voina, not Pussy Riot. One member of Voina is now a member of Pussy Riot. Does this mean that Pussy Riot are responsible for all of Voina's protests?

I'm always conflicted by these types of things.

It's easy to cheer when you support the cause, but I doing so we have to acknowledge that we'd be hypocrites for being annoyed about another cause interrupting an event we enjoy/support.

I mean imagine if a load of anti-fur protesters mobbed the Woman's March, for instance...
would people on here be accommodating or tearing strips off them?

They are both bad. Mindless stuff.

Thanks Hornets.

Buttcrack:
Not even remotely porny or porn culture. You can dislike their tactics, but calling them porny is just a lazy slur.
and
Wonder if you might be mixing pussy riot up with Femen. Not the same group, not affiliated.
Afaik pussy riot members and associates very rarely go topless as part of their art or protest, and there isn't anyone in charge, let alone a bloke.

I am not mistaken. The porny performance I had in mind was masturbating in a supermarket with a piece of raw chicken.

You may now eat your hat

People are really mixing up FEMEN with Pussy Riot. And the museum protest wasn't Pussy Riot either, it was a different organization which at the time one member of Pussy Riot was involved with.

I'd also like to ask, could anyone tell me what the point of the group sex in a museum was about?

I remember reading about this in the Guardian in an interview with one of Pussy Riot members, but I can't remember if they said why they had done it.

Have none of you noticed how England has gone absolutely nuts in the last few weeks because the England team got to a semi-final?

Seriously though, what was the point? I was listening to the match on the radio as I was too busy to watch it on TV. The commentators said something like 'oh there's been a pitch invasion' then a few minutes later 'apparently it was Pussy Riot'.

If you didn't know who Pussy Riot were (yes there are some people who have never heard of them or think they are just a pop group) you would be none the wiser as to why they did what they did. To me the purpose of protest is to get your message out, not just disrupt things and upset/irritate people. If you don't get the message out front and centre, how will people know the reason for what you are doing?

I've got limited time for Pussy Riot. I think they reinforce gendered stereotypes and that their protests are pornified.

Anyone got a link to a source that alleges anything about the dude who's in control and deciding who gets their tits out?

Wonder if you might be mixing pussy riot up with Femen. Not the same group, not affiliated.

Afaik pussy riot members and associates very rarely go topless as part of their art or protest, and there isn't anyone in charge, let alone a bloke.

be utterly devastating to some watching the game

Really?
I mean, seriously?