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This person is really not right in the head, surely?

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bigoldscaredycat · 15/07/2018 22:08

mobile.twitter.com/aedison/status/1018266260264685568

We talk about wanting to exterminate trans people on Mumsnet? WTF? And we attack trans women then say they attacked us??

This person has thousands of followers including Barack Obama, Sophie Walker WEP and Marian Keyes.

Absolutely mad.

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AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 09:13

Oh, they've explained that! Apparently it's OK to have genital preferences if you're trans, because reasons.

(Some bollocks about having worked through your own transphobia iirc.)

Viago · 16/07/2018 09:11

Avery has been a guest on the Guilty Feminist, you'll all be reassured to hear.

PositivelyPERF · 16/07/2018 09:08

I’d love to ask all these so called ‘lesbians’ (men) when was the last time they had sex with another so called ‘lesbian’, with a dick.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 09:07

For most people the kind of genitalia that they find sexually appealing is a necessary but not sufficient condition for them to want sex with someone. For TRAs like Avery the gender they believe themselves to be should be a sufficient condition for anyone to have sex with them.

In a situation where one person wants sex and the other does not, "no" trumps "yes" every time.

EBearhug · 16/07/2018 08:52

why should anyone have sex they're "less comfortable" with?

They shouldn't. Whether or not you usually prefer sex with people with vaginas or with penises, that doesn't mean you want to have sex with every person who has a vagina or penis. Even if you have had sex with a particular person lots of times, you still have the right to say no at any point. Except apparently consent isn't relevant if someone like Edison perceives you to be transphobic.

Genitalia isn't the first thing on my list when it comes to attraction. It's things like how someone''s eyes crinkle up when they smile, their sense of humour, how they make me feel. Body shape does come into it, but attraction has been firmly established by the time I see someone's genitals. And I still have the right to say no, even if every little bit of me is gagging for it and totally comfortable with it, let alone if it I'm not.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 08:33

Thing is, why should anyone have sex they're "less comfortable" with? Jut because otherwise nobody will touch Avery's penis?

Gncq · 16/07/2018 08:32

@Justinemumsnet
Do MNHQ know about it? They should contact Twitter and AE about this.

Anlaf · 16/07/2018 08:31

Women, and Canada, it seems GrinGrin

Some more choice tweets from Avery :

Plenty of lesbians have enjoyed sexual acts involving my penis. Because I’m a woman, and all my body parts are women’s body parts.

There’s nothing “superficial” about being attracted to someone’s actual gender. Writing someone off because of their genitals IS pretty superficial.
twitter.com/aedison/status/1018424080352120834?s=19

I mean when someone is attracted to women, they are attracted to women, not vaginas. They might be more comfortable having sex involving vaginas, and less comfortable having sex with penises, but they’re still attracted to WOMEN.
twitter.com/aedison/status/1018478189205745665?s=19

I am not a lesbian but imagine that "less comfortable" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

R0wantrees · 16/07/2018 08:27

Women, and Canada, it seems

Barbara Kay article:
'One woman's journey from social-justice warrior to free-speech champion
A victim of racism as a child, Sarina Singh became an ardent feminist driven to right social wrongs. Then she had a political epiphany'

concludes:
"As an ardent feminist, social work, a field dominated by feminist premises, seemed a good fit for Sarina. It didn’t live up to expectations. After 22 years, a transformative experience in a shelter where she was working produced a political epiphany. Two clients with children, both suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, had decided to go off their meds and take only herbal supplements. Over Sarina’s objections, her superiors insisted that, since the medical system was “patriarchal” and it was “empowering” for women to self-treat, she should not interfere. It ended badly, with psychotic episodes putting Sarina at risk, the children needing to be removed from their mothers, and Sarina leaving the profession in a state of guilt over her professional impotence in the face of an irrational ideology.

Sarina’s resulting break with feminism turned into a refusal thenceforth to see the world through the lens of ideology, identity politics or political correctness

Sarina’s resulting break with feminism turned into a refusal thenceforth to see the world through the lens of ideology, identity politics or political correctness. Sarina stopped vilifying the white race; she stopped seeing the world as a zero-sum game between oppressors and oppressed. Today Sarina is one of Canada’s most ardent free-speech warriors. She is particularly incensed by Bill C-16, known as the Transgender Rights Bill, and the “compelled speech” it endorses in support of alleged feelings-based rights.

Next Wednesday, July 18, I will be speaking in Toronto on a public panel Sarina has organized at her own expense: “Bill C-16: One Year Later: Sex, Ideology and Compelled Speech in Canada,” along with neuroscientist and journalist Dr. Debra Soh, lawyer Jared Brown and Wilfrid Laurier University graduate student Lindsay Shepherd. If travel constraints permit, Jordan Peterson says he will be present to cheer us on. He explains why he thinks our event is important in this video."

nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-one-womans-journey-from-social-justice-warrior-to-free-speech-champion

the article came to my attention as Morgane Oger has accused the journalist of transphobia and put pressure on CBC (national public TV/Radio)

see previous targetting by Oger:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269698-Morgane-Oger-is-campaigning-to-shut-down-a-rape-crisis-centre-in

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 08:26

OK, so which one of us is supposed to be Davros? Smile
(not to be confused with DARVO!)

More seriously, for all their claims of threats coming from GC feminists, they have yet to provide proof. Mainly because we don't threaten (more like "leave us alone" or "I don't believe your bullshit"). Which isn't the same as we get back, which is "DIAF" "Die Cis Scum" "burn/bash/drown a TERF" "going to kill me a TERF today".

Now that, actually IS DARVO.

Hangingaroundtheportal · 16/07/2018 08:22

Isn't Avery Edison the one who wrote about feeling oh so hurt because his lesbian girlfriend didn't want his speshul, oh so different to all the other penises, lady penis inside her?

Isn't that comment about Mumsnet verging on libellous? MNHQ work hard (very hard sometimes!) to ensure that the conversation stays within the guidelines. Which last time I checked did not allow talk of exterminating trans people.

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 08:16

I think that was India Willoughby. Who I think was trying to be funny (funnier than Avery, certainly).

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 16/07/2018 08:14

Was Avery Edison the TRA who declared a sexual attraction to Daleks, or was that someone else?

AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 08:13

Oh Canada, wtf is going on over there?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 16/07/2018 08:04

Women, and Canada, it seems

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AngryAttackKittens · 16/07/2018 07:59

Ah, I remember Avery. Also expected the girlfriend's parents to pay for everything uni related while Avery shagged around with other women like the aformentioned not into PIV with Avery young woman mentioned above.

I feel like Avery's exes should form an "I was gaslighted too!" support club.

TheBiologicalWoman · 16/07/2018 07:30

Thanks Archery for the back story.
Clearly an individual with issues.

Does he work? Is he also busy raising a family/caring for others, volunteering etc?

Or is it all ME ME ME? And the luxury of time to while away the hours, unlike most average folk.

bigoldscaredycat · 16/07/2018 06:09

Avery appears to be doing a sterling job of peak transing Twitter.

*waves at Avery•

Keep up the good work, Avery!

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ToeToToe · 16/07/2018 01:04

Women, and Canada, it seems.

ArcheryAnnie · 16/07/2018 00:53

Avery Edison is the individual who, a few years ago, had such a sense of (male, white, middle-class) entitlement that they did not bother to get the right papers to travel to another country and were surprised and horrified when they were detained and put into a detention centre with other males. Edison tweet-led a campaign to be moved into a woman's detention centre, because clearly there has never been such a terrible miscarriage of justice as this white-middle class male being held in the dungeons of ....Canada. The detention centre didn't even take Edison's phone off them.

Avery Edison is also the individual who wrote a whiny, self-pitying blog called "The best of both worlds". This recounted the one-night stand that Edison had with a woman that Edison had met in a lesbian bar. This woman knew Edison was trans, was cool with it, and they went off together and had enthusiastic, consensual sex. All terribly modern and sex-positive, no? But wait! Edison was not satisfied with this enthusiastic, consensual one-night stand, and whined about how awfully sad this woman's transphobia had made Edison.

What was this woman's terrible transphobic crime? She did not want penis-in-vagina sex with Edison. This was mean to Edison, and terribly, terribly unfair, as why couldn't this woman see that Edison's penis was not the same as a man's penis?

tl;dr: in Edison's world, women are never, ever allowed to have boundaries.

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 00:43

I sold photos of my feet (to a man who approached me via a eBay shoes listing) for more than that 15 years ago.

Confused
R0wantrees · 16/07/2018 00:34

I believe this rational and sensible individual has created a Twitter stir in recent days by saying something along the lines of work not being a moral thing to do

(Link from Twitter account)

leyat · 16/07/2018 00:30

Avery is peaktransing a lot of people right now....

Destinysdaughter · 16/07/2018 00:20

MN should sue them for libel, this is appalling lies!

ToeToToe · 16/07/2018 00:10

Totally ludicrous to accuse MNetters of wanting to exterminate transpeople.

It would be quite nice if certain TRAs (incl Avery) could stop telling lesbians to accept penis - if would be quite nice if women were allowed to meet for meetings to discuss women's rights without threats of violence, and if certain young people weren't being indoctrinated from pre-puberty into a pathway of puberty blockers, sex hormones and surgery.

But none of that = extermination.

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