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This person is really not right in the head, surely?

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bigoldscaredycat · 15/07/2018 22:08

mobile.twitter.com/aedison/status/1018266260264685568

We talk about wanting to exterminate trans people on Mumsnet? WTF? And we attack trans women then say they attacked us??

This person has thousands of followers including Barack Obama, Sophie Walker WEP and Marian Keyes.

Absolutely mad.

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TheGoddessFrigg · 17/07/2018 16:46

(Mike Ness - Rockabilly King of Guy-liner

My new crush!!!

If I was single and out looking for a sexual encounter, I wouldn’t care whether it was with a heterosexual, bisexual or lesbian woman. Sex is sex and a body is a body,

Ya see- to me that seems a little de-humanising. Might as well just have a wank.

OlennasWimple · 17/07/2018 13:58

How are "lady dicks" supposed to feel different than good old regular male dicks? Confused

Soft and fluffy?

And does AE use condoms for these "less than comfortable" (euch) sexual encounters? Or are his girly ejaculations not going to get anyone pregnant? Do womanly thoughts prevent the spread of STIs?

Potplant2 · 17/07/2018 09:30

’m confused though, if a person of either sex is only attracted to people with female bodies, in the case of casual sex what does it matter how they identify?
If I was single and out looking for a sexual encounter, I wouldn’t care whether it was with a heterosexual, bisexual or lesbian woman. Sex is sex and a body is a body, and as longus consent was mutual, what label they stick on that body wouldn’t matter to me in that moment. Obviously for a relationship it’s different, and I wouldn’t want to enter a relationship with a heterosexual woman

I can only speak for myself as a lesbian, but for me while I agree with you to an extent and probably wouldn’t rule out any natal woman as a sexual partner just because of how she labelled herself, there is a difference between sleeping with lesbians or bi women who have had a lot of experience with women, and sleeping with straight women. The latter tend to be simply less good at it, more inhibited about women’s bodies, and it’s hard to shake the feeling that you’re being used as an experiment. Total generalisation, of course, and won’t apply in all situations, but in general there’s nothing sexier for me than an out and proud lesbian who really, really loves women’s bodies - that’s far nicer to be intimate with than a straight woman who’s trying out something new.

TheBiologicalWoman · 17/07/2018 08:58

He's the Wizard of Oz.

AngryAttackKittens · 17/07/2018 08:20

I like pretty men in eyeliner, and if they want to wear flouncy clothes that's fine (up to the point where I'd find the level of flounce silly on anyone over the age of about 5). It's the "my penis is female" and the "so let me into the women's changing rooms or I'll kill myself you bigot" that's offputting, along with the sense that the person is having a wank over both their outfit and other people's discomfort with it.

TinyRick · 17/07/2018 08:02

Five bucks says they are an Incel

TheBiologicalWoman · 17/07/2018 07:29

You have got to see this post revealing AVery silly teenage boy for who he really is

mobile.twitter.com/Ovalegal/status/1019002466526998529

LinoleumBlownapart · 17/07/2018 04:06

*Alienates

LinoleumBlownapart · 17/07/2018 04:00

With every tweet and action Avery aliens more of the world against transwomen. Why are transwomen not standing up to people like this? I have seen some transexuals silenced when they have tried, but where are the transwomen fighting this? This person is seriously harmful to the trans community. Surely no one could want that much ridicule and suspicion thrown on the group they claim to belong to.

Unless of course they have found the perfect way to bring down both transwomen and women in one swoop!

BettyDuMonde · 17/07/2018 03:02

Anlaf Grin

Ah, the good old days! When men could wear a frock and make up and women could rely on them not to try and close down a rape crisis centre because ‘gender feelz’.

Anlaf · 16/07/2018 22:26

Ooh Betty

This person is really not right in the head, surely?
ThatWasTheWeekThatWas · 16/07/2018 19:08

Nothing turns me off faster in bed than insistence and entitlement. TBH that’s probably far more of an issue than anything else.

SunsetBeetch · 16/07/2018 18:20

I knew who this was going to be about before I opened the thread! Graham Linehan has picked up on Avery's tweets too

Racecardriver · 16/07/2018 17:18

@Toetotoe Grin

SophoclesTheFox · 16/07/2018 17:12

Oh I remember that Guilty Feminist one Viago. That's the one that made me stop listening to the Guilty Feminist.

Snap. I listened to feminist podcasts to hear women's voices.

It was jarring to hear Avery's voice in that context - the timbre, the manner of speaking, the content and the way DFW treated and reacted to Avery.

And yes, Avery has issues, and the claims they are making are flat out lies.

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 17:10

I don’t mind men in frocks (Kurt Cobain!) and I’ve always been partial to a long haired chap (Robert Plant!) but there is definitely a line where it’s no longer attractive to me.

I think it’s probably round about the denial of (or rejection of) biological reality.

Basically, I like penis-havers who don’t claim to be women.

(Mike Ness - Rockabilly King of Guy-liner)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdZb2inh4YM

This person is really not right in the head, surely?
busyboysmum · 16/07/2018 16:56

I get your point but women who are attracted to penises are generally wanting the whole package that goes with that penis ie the person presents themselves as a man. I would be totally weirded out by a man who was wearing a dress makeup and had long hair and wouldn't find that attractive at all.

TinyRick · 16/07/2018 12:51

Y'know, for a comedian they ain't that funny.

Also would be nice to have at least one day where I click on a Trans profile and not have to be presented with self-porn

Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 12:42

Back to Avery and the "I can't bear that you think my female penis would feel like a male one when I am inside you".

Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 12:41

I guess my point is why do people who identify as women but also have a penis target lesbians? Why is it only acceptable for their validation that they only sleep with women who say they only sleep with women?

It's a very pertinent question. It's because it's mainly about control I think. They can't bear the thought that many women who exclusively sleep with women don't accept their stated womanhood. And that causes narcissistic injury.

HotRocker · 16/07/2018 10:50

I’m confused though, if a person of either sex is only attracted to people with female bodies, in the case of casual sex what does it matter how they identify?
If I was single and out looking for a sexual encounter, I wouldn’t care whether it was with a heterosexual, bisexual or lesbian woman. Sex is sex and a body is a body, and as longus consent was mutual, what label they stick on that body wouldn’t matter to me in that moment. Obviously for a relationship it’s different, and I wouldn’t want to enter a relationship with a heterosexual woman Who maintained that they were heterosexual, because well, I’d find the cognitive dissonants a bit problematic, and surely she couldn’t be heterosexual if she was in a relationship with me. I’d consider it a denial of our relationship, and a denial of me as a person. By the same token if I were to enter into a relationship with a man I could no longer maintain that I am a lesbian, because clearly it wouldn’t be true., and any man who I’d enter a relationship with wouldn’t deserve to be erased by me.
These people seem to lack any awareness that it cuts both ways. I can understand how they would want to feel validated as a person, but feeling validated as a person for me wouldn’t be fulfilling if it came at the expense of invalidating another person.
I’ll give you a more mundane example. I have taken my guide dog to restaurants in the past and been told that I’m not allowed in with the dog. I’ve pointed out that it’s against the law to discriminate against guide dog owners, and sometimes it’s just been a misunderstanding that get’s cleared up immediately, but sometimes they have continued to object. At this point I have two choices, I can push, and threaten to take them to court if they don’t allow me entry, hope that they’ll back down but spend my evening feeling awkward, uncomfortable and unwelcome, or I can walk away, go somewhere else, and pursue it through more official channels if I wish.
I know this is different because what they are doing is discrimination, and against the law, but even in those cases pragmatism I‘ve found is the best way to cope.
There comes a point where insistence on exercising your rights can become harmful to yourself and a self defeating pursuit. It’s very easy to get into a victim mentality if you pick the only place in town where you are not welcome., so why do it? Sorry I’ve rambled on somewhat and started to confuse myself. I guess my point is why do people who identify as women but also have a penis target lesbians? Why is it only acceptable for their validation that they only sleep with women who say they only sleep with women? There are plenty of women out there, many more than lesbians, who happily except penis in their sex lives, so why intentionally go after the ones who do not? I mean presumably what they’re after is sex, or companionship, so why not take it where it’s available and find a compromise regarding labels, rather than trying to kick down a closed door. Sex, after all is not a human right, it’s an act entered into by two consenting adults. Why is The validity of the relationship based on the sexuality of their partner?
I’m sorry this is really confused, and of course I know why they’re doing it, I just can’t get my head round the utter madness of it, and I completely fail to understand why nobody else would either. Maybe it’s because I’ve spent my life dealing with real prejudice and discrimination, and pragmatism is the only healthy way of dealing with it.

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 10:22

Eek, warning - datalounge is NSFW!

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 10:22

Skylar gives no fucks. That attitude is why I sometimes lurk datalounge.

Example - www.datalounge.com/thread/21587064

Vickyyyy · 16/07/2018 09:39

twitter.com/SkylarJordan/status/1018422858735865856

Hah, this guy is not really backwards in coming forwards is he..just reading some of his other stuff now.

Bumbungo · 16/07/2018 09:26

Oh I remember that Guilty Feminist one Viago. That's the one that made me stop listening to the Guilty Feminist.