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Why do LBG align with the T?

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 16:48

Genuine question.

Having just read the nonsense thread of trans women saying they have periods (unbelievable) can someone explain to me why the gay community have the transgender element tagged onto it?

Can't see how it helps a gay man or lesbian woman's fight for rights and recognition to be lumped in with this utter nonsense. What has sexual orientation got to do with transgender?

Can anyone enlighten me?

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 17:41

@FrancinePefko42

Can I ask why they should be separated?

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FrancinePefko42 · 15/07/2018 17:40

L should definitely disassociate from B and G as well as T. So stupid to even think they should be lumped together.

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 17:37

Oh, it's long term relationship

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 17:35

Sorry, LTR

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 17:35

Thank you @Dommina for your explanation. Very helpful. In my ignorance, it never occurred to me about trans women and how they are perceived sexually by other women.

Can I also ask, what is LRT?

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HotRocker · 15/07/2018 17:30

Simple answer, I have no idea.
I stay away from any LGBT bollocks nowadays because I know exactly what it’ll be. It’ll either be all gay men and no lesbians and I’ll be ignored, or the super woke transwomen are women crowd Who want to make everything about everybody, except lesbians.
I’m so glad I’m in a LTR, because if I wasn’t I don’t know where I’d meet other lesbians.
Also I’d be a bit nervous about attending any groups or events. I’ve outed myself as gender critical and I’d be worried about getting hassle.

RantyMare · 15/07/2018 17:29

I've been called discriminatory because I wouldn't date a transwoman.

I don't agree with LGBT. Trans people are of all sexualities. I wish there was one movement and all that comes with it, for trans rights and communities and one for gay/bi.

OvaHere · 15/07/2018 17:26

Some gay men are bothered and recognise the inherent misogyny and homophobia in much of the gender ideology.

In my experience though gay men care about women's rights at about the same rate as straight men e.g a proportion do but most are indifferent and some actively dislike women.

It doesn't surprise me much that push come to shove many gay/bi men will side with the self declared TW over lesbians.

Dommina · 15/07/2018 17:20

I'm a lesbian woman. I'm active in the LGBT+ scene, as well as the fetish scene, in which there are lots of transgender/transsexuals/Cross dressers. I can honestly say it didn't bother me that TS people are here. I've shared bathrooms with them, gone on girls nights out with them. They are lovely, rational people and I don't give their transness a second thought.

I've been hit on twice by trans women. Both times I've said no, and been honest about the fact Im exclusively attracted to 'natal' women. Both have understood and moved on.

I'm also gender critical. I don't agree with everything (some) trans people say. But IRL, I've never encountered any of the more extreme TRA views.

LGBT spaces have always been male dominated. Men have borne the brunt of gay discrimination, and lesbians... I guess just don't go out as much.

Gender/sex is undergoing a huge transformation. Nobody quite agrees on what terms to use, etc. The best we can do is be inclusive and respectful, IMO.

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Sunflowersforever · 15/07/2018 17:07

Yes, I can see that would give a sense of community.

Just wondered how many lesbian women must be feeling conflicted and let down by, what looks more and more, like a male dominated community.

And how many gay men are that bothered either? I know Owen Jones is vocal, but my meaningless straw poll of two gay male friends indicates they don't!

They are united against far right and religious groups, but not the debate about infringement of women's rights.

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Dommina · 15/07/2018 16:52

I think traditionally the groups have been put together, and come together, because both are outside the 'norm' in terms of gender/sex roles.

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