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Letter from feminists against Pride protest

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MillyTheKid · 14/07/2018 22:07

Link to letter and article in The Independent:

solidaritystatement650530505.wordpress.com/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-pride-lgbt-anti-trans-protest-transphobia-a8442366.html

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thebewilderness · 15/07/2018 02:56

Feminists joining with men to publicly criticize Lesbians for speaking their opinion is antithetical to Feminism.
Your straw man argument is carelessly constructed.

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MillyTheKid · 15/07/2018 02:51

Really? A feminist is never allowed to criticise another woman when she doesn't agree with her?
So many woman who disagree with the views commonly expressed on here seem to be classed as either a handmaiden, fake feminist or fake lesbian. If she is someone well known her music, acting, writing etc will probably also get trashed just for the sake of it. Any organisation that disagrees is homophobic.
Perhaps the situation isn't quite so black and white as people here would like to believe. Maybe some know it isn't but don't want to admit it. The truth is, if you look beyond this forum, that not every feminist or lesbian does agree.
There comes a point when you cannot just dismiss every single alternative feminist and lesbian view and have to admit that there are some lesbians and feminists who are concerned about some of the issues surrounding trans people but there are also some who are not. The lesbian reaction I saw online after the Pride protest was not universally 'that was wonderful' by any stretch of the imagination.
I know that muddies the 'we're the ones speaking up for lesbians' waters but that's the reality. There are feminists and lesbians who have alternative viewpoints.

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ArcheryAnnie · 15/07/2018 02:49

OK, I don't recognise many names on that list, but of the few I do recognise, I can spot at least two rape apologists (of the "I don't believe her" variety), and one male whose political energy has been devoted to championing violent porn, championing pimps, and dissing women's groups. It's not exactly something which inspires confidence in their judgement.

Oh, and they endorse Trans Heath Action, whose batshit mainfesto includes such gems as "We demand resources for hair removal anywhere on our bodies, and the option of local anesthetic during these procedures" (good to know your hip operation is on hold while a middle-class male working in IT has their chest hair lasered off on the public purse). and "We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners" (which presumably includes the 60+ rapists and violent sex offenders currently in the UK prison system who ID as trans).

What absolute ninnies.

thebewilderness · 15/07/2018 02:09

I do not know about Lesbians, Milly.
I know Feminism. Feminists do not join with men to condemn Lesbians.
It is antithetical to Feminism.

LaSquirrel · 15/07/2018 02:08

Read the opening to the wordpress link Milly

We are a group of feminists, many of whom identify as lesbian or whose politics were influenced by lesbian culture. We are cisgender, we are non-binary and we are trans. All of us are active in the arts, community organising, the media and education. We have all benefited from the deep analysis, radical lifestyle and astonishing bravery of the lesbian feminists who came before us – actions that we understood to be about dismantling the patriarchy, liberating all women from gendered oppression and re-imagining the future.

The clue is in identifying as lesbian, let alone the rest of that list of BS.

If they have come together to publicly condemn Lesbians the likelyhood that they are Feminists is a gynormous zero.

I would add the likelihood that they were lesbians was about the same tbh.

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MillyTheKid · 15/07/2018 02:00

If they have come together to publicly condemn Lesbians the likelyhood that they are Feminists is a gynormous zero.

How do you explain the many lesbians on social media who didn't support the protest then? Are they fake lesbians?

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thebewilderness · 15/07/2018 01:53

If they have come together to publicly condemn Lesbians the likelyhood that they are Feminists is a gynormous zero.

Floorplan · 14/07/2018 23:28

Absolutely Loveyour

loveyouradvice · 14/07/2018 23:01

What I never understand is how they believe they are speaking the truth when they say "Either you are working for the liberation of all or you are working for the liberation of none"..... when is it SO obvious that women and children lose rights if the TRAs gain all those they wish...

UpstartCrow · 14/07/2018 22:19

Its a good job they didn't read the posts from trans supporters on this forum that suggest if you're over 5' 8", have short hair or don't perform femininity, you're actually a man.

It sounds like they might actually believe it.