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Doctor took one for the team, he isn't happy about pregnant people

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LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 01:22

Lost his career by the looks of this.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5952625/Christian-doctor-fired-saying-people-choose-gender-reveals-speak-out.html

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reallybadidea · 14/07/2018 09:39

Addressing patients by their preferred gender has nothing to do with his conscience and everything to do with being polite and treating patients with respect. He's coming across as a dick and like others have said, I think his reasons are very different from those of gender-critical feminists. Christians of his ilk aren't renowned for standing up for women's rights.

Aridane · 14/07/2018 09:26

Sorry, but I think,the doctor comes across as a bit of a dick

Raspberry88 · 14/07/2018 08:58

The Daily Mail is not the friend of decent people. If you find yourself aligning with it or its readership, that should set alarm bells ringing, no?

Perhaps, but as much as I dislike it myself I know a good few very decent people who read the daily mail!

FloralBunting · 14/07/2018 08:44

A frustrating read with the use of gender rather than sex. And, tbh, given that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, I rather think he didn't have a leg to stand on here. I'm sure he doesn't agree with homosexuality, or gay marriage, but he would still have to acknowledge the partner of a gay patient.

I'm sure many doctors disapprove of the choices their patients make, but conscience clauses are for things like life or death stuff, abortion, euthanasia etc. Not just stuff you feel uncomfortable about.

However, if he wishes to make a principled decision that he cannot do the job because it goes against his conscience, then he is entirely within his rights to do that and I'll not criticize on that score.

Oh, and as an aside, I couldn't give a monkey's that it's the DM. I get the simple snobbery about it, but I despise the various campaigns to shut it down because of an editorial stance unpopular with some people. If there are views you don't like in the public square, you refute them, you don't say "Ew, those political views are too, too horrible. Why can't everyone read the Guardian!" Because censorship is fine and dandy when it shuts down the stuff you don't like, but it's an uncontrollable genie, and once you rub the lamp, it won't be 'reasonable'.

Maryzsnewaccount · 14/07/2018 08:22

I should probably have said "any newspaper article that allows comments" as there are similar comments and voting on any article about trans issues in many newspapers.

Obviously it's less noticeable on those articles where the comments are obviously censored in advance.

thedancingbear · 14/07/2018 08:16

The DM comments section gives a good idea of how the (silent) great British public feels about transgender issues.

No it's not. It gives you a good idea what Daily Mail readers think. See also racism, deep-seated misogyny etc etc.

The Daily Mail is not the friend of decent people. If you find yourself aligning with it or its readership, that should set alarm bells ringing, no?

Maryzsnewaccount · 14/07/2018 08:06

Interesting to look at the up/down votes on the comments on that article.

No-one wants to be seen to agree with the religious aspect, but it seems that many think that being sacked for not calling a man "she" or a woman "he" is ridiculous.

The DM comments section gives a good idea of how the (silent) great British public feels about transgender issues.

R0wantrees · 14/07/2018 07:08

This is a curious thread...

GilligansKitchenIsland · 14/07/2018 06:46

thedancingbear - even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
He's only been fired from the DWP - no doubt a blow to his career, but he hasn't been struck off. The NHS is so short of GPs I'm pretty sure he'll still be able to find employment; otherwise he could set up a private practice.

thedancingbear · 14/07/2018 06:24

The problem is, S0upertrooper, much of the support for the trans-critical position comes from fundamentalist Christianity, and from the otherwise-arseholish conservative right-wing. This makes it difficult for me - as someone whose gut says that your side of the argument is right - to embrace it wholeheartedly.

S0upertrooper · 14/07/2018 05:33

I doubt he took the job to help disabled people, not convinced working for DWP helps disabled people. I'd have more respect for him if his argument was based on science and not personal religious views which a professional in his position should put to one side. Also he went to the Daily Fail. Glad he's not my GP!

Snappity · 14/07/2018 04:31

As a Christian he knows the maxim, "Render to God, that which is God's and render to Caesar that which is Caesar's". He took a job from Caesar and should obey Caesar's instructions. The parallel for me is a Catholic GP. According to Catholic beliefs, s/he should not prescribe contraceptives but obviously that wouldn't be right for a GP.

Personally, there is no way as a matter of conscience I would have anything whatsoever to do with how the DWP treats disabled people.

LookTwoFingers · 14/07/2018 02:04

He took the job to help disabled people.

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user546425732 · 14/07/2018 01:39

Why did he take the job? He knew it would be a requirement.

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