Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

Bowlofbabelfish that is often the misunderstood view in relation to people seeking there own treatment. it is not due to gatekeepers but due to services that are unable to or choose not to address there needs in a meaningful. way this is not always through medication. the they will do it anyway argument is a simplification of that. the same argument as been used in drug and substance misuse for years. making a service meaningful to its service users is always the solution. to this it is not simply giving out medication because people want it.

by all means tell me that I'm wrong on that point because at this point I do feel that you don't even bother to read my points but just make the point you wish to make anyway.

But the fact that people are obtaining drugs via the Internet is not an argument for giving anyone who asks drugs with no gatekeeping. It’s an argument for closing loopholes that allow people to target vulnerable patients.

This.

But the fact that people are obtaining drugs via the Internet is not an argument for giving anyone who asks drugs with no gatekeeping. It’s an argument for closing loopholes that allow people to target vulnerable patients.

The gatekeeping is important. The ‘they will just buy them anyway’ argument is designed to pressurefor early drug treatment as wanted by some lobby groups.

The answer is no.

Great isn't it? If your current movement doesn't get there soon, the crippling lawsuits a few years and decades from now over all this stuff will by bankrupting them. Either way it's a win against the NHS.

Good stuff for the rich white male funders of the movement

Mogleflop well if we want people who don't have profitable issues not to be seen at all then would be a great idea lol

Let's just privatise the NHS eh.

Bowlofbabelfish well as discussed private providers who. might not have the same pathway or self or community care that can be ill informed around things like medication. this is an issue in all aspects of mental health issues

this will cause people to look for quicker solutions.

Like what?

Bowlofbabelfish non I am happy with the current treatment pathway in the nhs it is just being overwelmed and this will cause people to look for quicker solutions. therefore like all and I stress ALL cmhs services in this country they need the resources to do there jobs the money that is being promised in young peoples mental health services is not meterialisising in reality and dedicated staff are starting to leave or go on longer term sick. due to the pressures they are under to maintain these services. this is the reality of cmhs services in this country they will hit the same breaking point that social services hit a number of years ago. the young people that we are dealing with are becoming more complex in there presentation and the levels of interventions that are required and the time that this takes is increasing with no new resources to support it.

This is why I get annoyed when people wish to focus of conspiracy crap. when the crisis is already there and more people need to highlight it. but I'm sure you will tell me you are. doing that

be better resourced to allow young people to get appropriate assessment and treatment without having to resort to the Internet for help

Appropriate treatment is watch and wait - that’s available.

What further treatment do you want?

Obviously the person who wrote this is foolish and deluded, but what is most striking is the aggression. They are really really angry with women, aren’t they? What a way to live your life.

Laid up crapping....how?

I can't help wondering where the under 18s get the money from to buy medication. Saturday jobs must pay better than they did back in my day.

What other bits cramp during periods? (The person writing the article actually sounds like they have ibs)

thebewilderness what I find dispicable is people that paint the work of people who are working tirelessly with these varied and complex issues as abuses with the language that you use. that you would rather discuss conspiracy theories than the reality of this situation speaks volumes. the NHS does far more then just give out hormones and when it does that it does not just simply give them out.

there is a. crisis in both cmhs and adult. services and I fear that it is going to take something tragic to. highlight this problem to the wider public, though tragedys happen every week and no one seems to bother. this country is still very much about out of sight out of mind. with these issues.

BettyDuMonde I very much agree that ASD services and woefully under funded and only. appear to provide assessment and little. follow up. care to help families support there young people.

All areas of the NHS are under similar stress. My autistic son waited 3 years to see an occupational therapist. Adult mental health has a 7 year wait list in central Manchester.

I have great sympathy for people suffering from gender dysphoria, but I don’t agree that this particular problem is more (nor less) deserving than any of the other things that might make a 17/18 year old feel suicidal.

That is a despicable thing you just did Bespin.

These children are being groomed online by unscrupulous liars and you effing dare to claim it is the fault of NHS people not handing our dangerous drugs to all comers on demand that is the problem. How dare you!

thebewilderness really good point self. medicating is becoming a real. issue with young poeple I feel that extending waiting list at the nhs services is contributing to this xna we not agree that these services. are vital and need to. be better resourced to allow young people to get appropriate assessment and treatment without having to resort to the Internet for help

I cannot get past the concern I have for the young people like this who have been groomed into the Followers of Genderism.
They are suffering possible life threatening side effects of the drugs they are taking and rather than getting their ass to the doctor they are letting their Genderist beliefs override their sense of self preservation.

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Why do people come on a thread to tell women to shut up?
This is a phenomenon I do not understand.

I absolutely hate the term 'Cis woman' ......Just stop it!

I know placemats, I’m just too lazy/disorganised to do it without the tech, personally :)

People tracked their periods long before apps came into being.

Even those, like myself, whose cycle wasn't 28 days - load of old shite.

I had daily mucous emissions post period. It became sticky at ovulation. Lasted about 4 days.

I had to do this because I couldn't tolerate any form of contraception other than condoms that were spermicidal free. I have three children and two marriages.

Cross post with Errol - sounds like a good tip (I rarely stray beyond this board apart from the odd foray into trending topics on the sidebar)!

Hi SuperM0m - didn’t want your first post to go unacknowledged. Welcome!

I’m no expert and my cycle is fairly average these days (41, came off hormonal contraception entirely about 15 years ago and track my cycle with an app, whilst using a copper coil for contraception. Coil makes my bleeding heavier but manageable). In my younger days though, I did had quite some trouble (ocassionally even fainting due to pain) and had a GPs prescription for mfenamic acid - it’s from the same class of drugs as ibuprofen but is considered to be particularly useful for menstrual pain.

I found tracking periods using an app made me appreciate my whole cycle more - I know there are days when I feel particularly energised, for example, and that is a good time for doing physical chores such as stripping wallpaper or pruning trees! I also know that I have some low energy days and I am kind to myself when they occur - I know I won’t lift my personal best at the gym, for example, and it’s no big deal/doesn’t mean I am now suddenly useless.
Knowing it’s part of a bigger process, one that includes real positives, helped me enormously. Women’s bodies are phenomenal!

Apologies if you’ve already done all that stuff and this seems patronising, but like I said, I’m not an expert, but I didn’t want your first post to slip by unnoticed.

SuperM0m - the Women's Health topic would be a better place to ask this. Or take a look through old threads there to see if there's any relevant advice (but start your own thread to ask questions rather than posting on one that's more than a few weeks old). Good luck!