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Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

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OrchidInTheSun · 13/07/2018 17:31

I give you the latest in batshittery:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1016753976211996672.html

FFS

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MrsRiddell · 19/07/2018 02:05

As was inevitable, “Bria” has recast the original blog post as an (equally measured and well-reasoned) cartoon:

lifeofbria.com/tmi/

The title is particularly charming: “FOR PPL WHO CLAIM TO BE SILENCED, T*FS SURE NEVER SHUT THE F*K UP” (asterisks added).

Back to lurking.

OrchidInTheSun · 18/07/2018 17:12

Oh god - that feeling that you've got a kilo of flour hanging off your labia is awful waterlego!

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Melamin · 18/07/2018 15:10

What they need is a ladycare knicker magnet Wink

waterlego6064 · 18/07/2018 08:50

A recent new period symptom for me is achy/heavy labia 😆 Willing to bet transwomen also don’t get that symptom.

ElderflowerWaterIsDelish · 18/07/2018 03:16

By female reproductive parts, I mean the internal ones like womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes , eggs etc

ElderflowerWaterIsDelish · 18/07/2018 03:15

Just when you think you have heard It allShock

I'm speechless, how can they get cramping when they have no female reproductive parts,...the cramping comes from the womb contracting to expel the blood?..

thebewilderness · 18/07/2018 03:01

Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids, Schools Out, all provide training.

LinoleumBlownapart · 18/07/2018 02:58

Thanks. I'm going to have a really careful read of that because this whole thing is so confusing.

thebewilderness · 18/07/2018 02:49

There are several transgender advocacy organizations that go into schools. They have been doing so for ten years. Some are partially government funded.
Just recently women undertook an effort to correct the erroneous information that transgender advocacy groups had disseminated to councils that removed sex from the list of Equality Act protected characteristics. You can read about it here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

LinoleumBlownapart · 18/07/2018 01:59

they have been taught that submission or transition are the only options.
Who is teaching that? Many teachers and parents I know and I've worked with teach children to challenge gender roles. I know many young girls who do this themselves and are doing this right now.

I don't understand. Are you saying that you are helping them identify as trans as some kind of option to "identify" out of oppression? Or that you're against the fact that gender roles are not being challenged enough anymore? And instead of breaking down the gender roles we're selling girls the lie that by becoming men they'll escape oppression.

AlbaChick · 18/07/2018 01:54

Goady, not goofy. Spellchecker obviously on its period!

AlbaChick · 18/07/2018 01:53

I’m still don’t understand why they claim to be women? If your chromosomes and your sex organs are male or female, then surely that makes you a man or a woman? If you don’t feel like you’re a man, or a woman, then is it not possible that you’re maybe something else instead? I really can’t see how a man can claim to have periods any more than a woman could claim to have a prostate. Sorry for long post and not trying to be goofy, but this is just getting weirder and weirder

thebewilderness · 18/07/2018 01:35

Children are being taught in schools across the country that their choice of boy or girl socially coded toy is an indication of their "gender".

Girls are taught their position in the dominance/submission paradigm is to submit. They are trying to identify out of oppression because they have been taught that submission or transition are the only options.

The majority of males who transition are much older men whereas the females who identify as trans are quite young.

needmorespace · 18/07/2018 01:13

These knobbers appropriating our things probably have blue liquid coming out of their winkles
GrinGrinGrin

LinoleumBlownapart · 18/07/2018 01:13

transitioning is the only escape from rigidly enforced sex roles How is transitioning away from one rigidly enforced sex role to try and fit into the other, any remote form of escape?

I'm confused! Or by transitioning do you mean to challenge rigidly enforced sex roles. In which case it makes perfect sense. But the use of the word "transitioning" is confusing.

Datun · 18/07/2018 00:36

Bespin

There is also the fact that there are over 2000 children a year showing up at gender clinics. When in fact, I believe the diagnosis will be for 37 of those children per year.

Isn't the strain on these specific services, a direct result of the nonsense being peddled in schools?

The wonderful gingerbread man, or the Barbie/GI Joe spectrum type lessons?

If there weren't hundreds and hundreds of confused children, with nothing wrong with them, being referred to gender clinics, the strain on resources may not be quite so much.

thebewilderness · 18/07/2018 00:08

that you would rather discuss conspiracy theories than the reality of this situation speaks volumes.

Ten years of teaching children, on the internet and in the schools, that transitioning is the only escape from rigidly enforced sex roles is not a conspiracy theory.

I am firmly grounded in the reality based community, thank you very much. I con only conclude that you ignorance is willful.

Lottie35 · 17/07/2018 18:54

This stupid man/woman/whatever is only proving these people have a mental illness.

Someone needs to tell him that when you have your period and the cramps make you see stars, you feel like you're walking with your bowels dragging behind you and your boobs are so sore you could cry when taking off your bra that tweeting a long post just isn't possible.

Oh and do you reckon he's ever had an ovarian cyst burst? Jesus Christ he hasn't got a clue!

It's like me saying i know the pain of being kicked in the balls ....anatomically it's impossible unless I have a mental illness.

IrianOfW · 17/07/2018 16:15

Just wind I expect.

BadassUnicorn · 17/07/2018 16:06

The article's author is welcome to live in my body for one day out of the 12 agonizing ones my period usually lasts. Betcha this person wouldn't last 5 minutes before begging for mercy. He/she would soon know what having periods is all about, not the description of trapped wind and feeling a tad sorry for themselves they give in the article Angry

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/07/2018 15:48

But then what are you actually asking for?

You say that people are acccessing treatment on the web because the NHS treatment isn’t what they want. So you think that treatment is not what? Appropriate? Clinically correct? Early enough? Fast enough? What?

So I have to ask - ‘so what is your point? What are you arguing for?’ Are you saying the fact that people are doing this justifies it? That NHS treatment should change to be affirmative? What would make the service, as you say ‘meaningful to its users’?

Bespin · 17/07/2018 13:33

Bowlofbabelfish thanks for explaining this to me yet again I really. don't know what I've been doing all these years. the nhs approach is watch and wait with treatment if assessed to be needed. you always seem to miss the last part of that. have a lovely day you all.

user546425732 · 17/07/2018 13:32

A period without blood Shock
That said I'm experiencing less and less periods but I get days when I feel exactly like my period is going to start - cramps, more emotional etc etc but the period never actually starts. I get the back and headache that I get before a period.

That'll be because I actually am a woman, with a uterus and have the relevant hormones causing mayhem then.

Bowlofbabelfish · 17/07/2018 13:14

that is often the misunderstood view in relation to people seeking there own treatment. it is not due to gatekeepers but due to services that are unable to or choose not to address there needs in a meaningful. way

But that IS gatekeeping. That’s what gatekeeping is. It’s evidence based medicine practiced by medics working to medically ethical guidelines. So that any drug prescribed is needed and monitored. That IS gatekeeping

If someone finds the treatment is not what they want, and goes off piste, so to speak, then they’re outside of that ethical and evidence based framework.

And many people do this - there are people who seek alternative practitioners for things like acupuncture or reiki for example. That’s a couple of benign examples - neither of those things can harm you. But you’d be unwise to start taking any prescribed drug outside medical supervision

When a medic prescribes on the nhs they will take a full history. They will have access to full medical notes. They retain responsibility for what they’ve prescribed - that means they must be able to justify it in terms of clinical risk vs benefit. They will monitor the patient closely. They will act if they feel up/down titration of dose or cessation/change of medication is needed. They must adhere to nhs prescribing guidelines.

With internet obtained drugs people don’t know for sure what they’re getting. They need to administer the drug correctly (blockers are depot drugs). They have no checks of medical history, no counselling beforehand, no monitoring. No one is taking responsibility for the usage.

If people don’t like the nhs watch and wait, then that’s not the failing of the approach. I’m still not really sure what you’re pressing for as an outcome? Open access to drugs/affirmative treatment? Earlier access to drugs/treatment?

The nhs treatment is watch and wait. And that’s ethical. What more do you want?

GladAllOver · 17/07/2018 12:34

Drugs should only be available by prescription, to patients old enough to understand the consequences of taking them or by a parent /guardian on their behalf.
This has always been the case, and I don't see any reason for it to change.

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