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Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

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OrchidInTheSun · 13/07/2018 17:31

I give you the latest in batshittery:

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Sillyolme · 21/07/2018 01:08

I see NoDykeDoesDick has linked to my essay on autogynephilia... and given me the greatest complement as an educator 'informative'... thank you.

A few comments here to correct some misinformation... but first a confirmation. No, transwomen do NOT experience "periods". Even if the pituitary (the part of the brain that indirectly controls them in women) cycled, it wouldn't create any symptoms since it would only effect a male's T levels if they still had their ummm balls... which are already subject to minor fluctuations on a daily, even hourly basis in healthy men based on a complex cognitive feedback mechanism (e.g. T levels increase when thinking about sex... go down when they become fathers and think about parental tasks). After SRS, there would be nothing that could respond to changing pituitary hormones (called "gonadotropins").

Second, it has been well demonstrated in several studies that AGP transwomen's pituitaries do NOT respond to hormones in the same way as women... though... some gay men and "homosexual transsexuals" do:

sillyolme.wordpress.com/2015/12/28/brain-power/

But even that would NOT mean experiencing "periods" since there are no ovaries to respond to the pituitary hormones to complete the feed back loop that causes the cycling... and certainly no uterine lining to respond to the changing ovarian hormones to create the cramps, etc. Further, HRT is held steady, so would NOT cause cyclic symptoms in any case.

Oh... and yes... the medical term for the hormones given to transfolk is "HRT" as they are used to replace the original with cross-sexed ones. Yes, older transfolk continue to receive HRT as we age... though some silly docs think they should be reduced to mimic menopause, as though that were a good thing! (( I'm currently having this disagreement with my Kaiser assigned endocrinologist since I'm in my early 60's... after having been on HRT since I was a teen ! )).

About "hot flashes"... anyone who experiences significant reduction in sex hormones (T, E, or P), male or female, will experience them. Thus, if a transwoman who is post-op is suddenly taken off of HRT or had their customary dose reduced, hot-flashes may occur. I can tell you from personal experience, they are very unpleasant.

Back to AGPs and "periods"... this is wishful thinking on their part. They so badly want "proof" that they are "really" female in some mystical hidden fashion that any discomforts that fit the stereotypes of the menstrual cycle is misinterpreted as being such.

After reading this thread and thinking about it today... I'm actually wondering if my doc wasn't "educated" by some silly older AGP into thinking that experiencing menopausal symptoms is a "good thing"... cause an AGP just might perversely like the idea, just as they like the idea of having menstrual cramps!!!

BuntyII · 21/07/2018 00:35

The cartoon really sums up the logic behind the pretend periods. The writer has literally no answer for women pointing out their actual biological functions. But you know, facts are totally boring and uncool.

What's next, transwomen have miscarriages too? If I look hard enough I'll probably find something suggesting they know how that feels but I really couldn't bear to.

NoDykeDoesDick · 20/07/2018 23:30

It's the AGPs that claim to have period symptoms. This is a really informative piece on autogynephilia sillyolme.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/autogynephilia/

waterlego6064 · 20/07/2018 23:07

That cartoon is so disingenuous. 'Oooooh, angry transphobes! Tee hee! All I said was I have something like a period...didn't even use the word menstruate! Silly transphobes haha!'

This doesn't wash with me, Bria. You very deliberately set out to talk about your 'periods' as being the same as actual periods. As well you know.

MrGHardy · 20/07/2018 20:33

"natural cycle of hormone fluctuations"

Almost one of the first sentences. I wonder what is "natural" about being on HRT for life. Also the "I absolutely love how much trans girls talking about the reality of their periods pisses transphobes off. It makes you feel so powerful! Really tho it's just that they're so weak. I mean, us existing is enough to upset them, so..." just shows you the real motivation.

As an aside, I love the irony that while they claim transphobes are "weak", they are the ones crying that using the wrong pronouns will lead to death.

GladAllOver · 19/07/2018 21:32

No because the R stands for replacement. You can't 'replace' something you never had.
That question was tongue in cheek.
But knowing how deluded some transwomen can be, I wouldn't be so sure about the answer.

thenightsky · 19/07/2018 21:19

Would HRT be available for transwomen

No because the R stands for replacement. You can't 'replace' something you never had.

thebewilderness · 19/07/2018 21:17

Oh Em Gee!! Maybe it is the mythological Blue Balls they are suffering from?

LinoleumBlownapart · 19/07/2018 15:29

sabinaapplecross I don't know about that, I wouldn't have a clue what a prostate feels like but I believe the pain of prostrate cancer can come and go. I think someone upthread said something about the concoction of pills that transwomen take can inscrease the risk of cancer. Even more reason for this individual to stop trying to ignore their biology and get themselves to a doctor ASAP.

Melamin · 19/07/2018 11:40

A knicker magnet would also help with that Wink

sabinaapplecross · 19/07/2018 11:38

maybe its their prostates cramping?? can prostates cramp

madja · 19/07/2018 10:19
Hmm I think I may have lost my words. This is just..... Can you peak your peak? Think I just did.
123bananas · 19/07/2018 09:59

Poppycock.

I don't have a uterus anymore due to having had a hysterectomy, so I do not have periods or menstruate. I do have ovaries therefore I have a hormonal cycle that has an effect on me over the month (I get sore boobs at a certain time like I used to get around the time I menstruated).

Oestrogen can have an effect on the bowel and aggravate IBS. It is not a 'period' if you have abdominal pain relating to female hormones if you do not have a uterus with a lining to shed.

irritablebowelsyndrome.net/triggers/can-hormones-trigger-ibs/

Melamin · 19/07/2018 09:46

Well it is - the late transitioners would be at least perimenopausal, if not post meno.

GladAllOver · 19/07/2018 09:24

That's a good point. Would HRT be available for transwomen?

Melamin · 19/07/2018 09:14

I don't know about the menopause - I am sure there are some that would enjoy being ladies of a certain age, a bit flustered and forgetful and wafting around with a few hot moments. Very much doubt they would stop hormone therapy to achieve it though.

I do think the knicker magnet would be the perfect solution for them. Google it and see if you are not familiar with it. The patter is perfect and it comes in lovely colours. There is a nice sparkly pink one for periods which does not mention ladies, so is nicely gender neutral. (Also works for prostate problems with a more manly name - very versatile).

ISaySteadyOn · 19/07/2018 09:04

@Keeptrudging, Flowers. I get that during my period. It's shit, isn't it? I hope it eases soon.

BadassUnicorn · 19/07/2018 08:26

How long before we hear them enjoying having hot flushes, night sweats, insomnia and stress incontinence, due to the damage their completey different pelvis has been through whilst not giving birth.

Doubt they will appropriate that one. Can't see "trans girls" wanting to be associated with the imaginary menopause, would mean they are aging Hmm Nor wanting to damage their man-ginas pushing a watermelon through them Grin

Keeptrudging · 19/07/2018 04:17

Am currently up at this time of night due to severe cramps waking me up. Can't even stand up straight, feel like I'm going to pass out. Been up an hour so far. This thread is not helping my rage.

PersianCatLady · 19/07/2018 03:53

Silly to call that a period but WHO CARES
Actually I care that women are being belittled and ridiculed and everything that makes us women is being appropriated and minimised by MEN.

thebewilderness · 19/07/2018 03:34

Abdominal cramps of some sort. Possible constipation or stomach cramps from the oestrogen.
The main side effects associated with taking oestrogen include:

bloating.
breast tenderness or swelling.
swelling in other parts of the body.
nausea.
leg cramps.
headaches.
indigestion.
PersianCatLady · 19/07/2018 02:50

I don't get how he can get cramps.

What exactly is cramping??

I would have thought that no uterus = no uterine

thebewilderness · 19/07/2018 02:12

Men have been saying that about women for 100 years. Turns out it's just another zombie lie that never dies because men never stop telling it.

reeldoop · 19/07/2018 02:11

Surely most of these idiots are old enough to have gone through the "Menopause" by now?

They're missing a trick. How long before we hear them enjoying having hot flushes, night sweats, insomnia and stress incontinence, due to the damage their completey different pelvis has been through whilst not giving birth.

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