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Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding

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OrchidInTheSun · 13/07/2018 17:31

I give you the latest in batshittery:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1016753976211996672.html

FFS

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GrainneWail · 27/07/2018 10:07

I haven't much to add on the issues at hand, their pure bonkersness has been well discussed. It has made me think about my situation though. I have the merina coil so I have almost no period, some very light spotting if anything, but I have cramps and fairly foul pmt. Is a contracting uterus but no bleed a period?

intheparcark · 26/07/2018 22:58

These kinds of thing used to make me angry, it's offensive and it's appropriation.

Now I just think, carry on talking, the more people see this the better.

It's got to the stage of Give them enough rope......
In danger of being a laughing stock.

What next?
Fake labour pains?
aka Serena Joy in The Handmaid's Tale?

intheparcark · 26/07/2018 22:55

I think this is hilarious.

Someone needs to invent a teeny tiny penis tampon. Grin

Ereshkigal · 26/07/2018 21:59

Juno Roche is a late transitioning autogynephile, why are they pushing this bullshit on a readership of mostly young women? Are they trying to make Juno some kind of role model for them?

mirandayardley.com/en/what-does-it-mean-to-be-juno-roche/

Ereshkigal · 26/07/2018 21:49

Yes I defo think some of them should be visiting the doctor with the symptoms they describe.

Tryingtolisten2 · 26/07/2018 21:46

Not a lot for me to add to this thread except to say that as a transsexual (or trans feminine person) I’ve never felt like I’ve had a period.

If some other trans people are getting cramps maybe they should check their medication and get a blood test to make sure they aren’t starting to experience liver dysfunction?

MrGHardy · 26/07/2018 20:55

"This bit is ridiculous. It's only the uterus that cramps during a period. What other bits could they possibly be referring to?"

It's "ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT CRAMPS ON YOUR PERIOD" naturally. Instagram is being taken over by this nonsense too now. Every single LGBT+ page...lunacy.

BettyDuMonde · 23/07/2018 17:28

The Cosmo article is just more weird twisting of language - of course transmen can have periods, they have female biology!

I’m sure there is a small audience for a supportive article on how to deal with your period in a practical sense whilst minimising dysphoria but I doubt Cosmo has the right readership for that?

This article from the sidebar shows that it’s perfectly possible to live a productive and happy trans life without trying to make the world believe In wholesale untruths:

www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/a22060000/transgender-passing-juno-roche/

waterlego6064 · 23/07/2018 16:54

To add- of course, I realise that some people have no choice but to take medication which has severe side effects. Obviously I would take such a drug if it was saving my life, but to do it to change the aesthetics of my body....no way.

waterlego6064 · 23/07/2018 16:53

That Cosmo article...

When you find yourself writing: 'since there are few studies on testosterone’s effect on the nonbinary or trans body, there is no way to predict whether taking testosterone will stop your period or not'

Surely that must feel just a little worrying? Not the uncertainty about periods- the bit about there being few studies on the effects. I would be pretty worried if I was taking a drug like that. Maybe trans people do worry about it, I don't know. I'm just amazed anyone would take the risk, but I guess it just goes to show how strong their feelings are. I think that's so sad. Sad

waterlego6064 · 23/07/2018 16:46

Maybe Bria's prostate is cramping. Bria should definitely see a Dr either way.

VickyEadie · 23/07/2018 16:38

"All the other stuff that cramps on your period", though...good to see there's actual science behind this. Grin

Zintox · 23/07/2018 16:35

This bit is ridiculous. It's only the uterus that cramps during a period. What other bits could they possibly be referring to?

Transwomen have periods too you know! Just no bleeding
OrchidInTheSun · 23/07/2018 15:58

Wow, that Cosmopolitan article is full of shit. Someone who has periods is a woman, no matter how they identify. If people weren't being they could literally change sex, I suspect they would find their normal bodily functions a lot less distressing.

And it's the height of first world privilege to moan about that immediately after dismissing period poverty. What a pathetic narcissist this person is. I'm furious.

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MrsPussinBoots · 23/07/2018 10:25

Sorry if this link has already been posted
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/a22141567/trans-and-non-binary-periods/?utmsource=facebook&utmmcampaign=socialflowFB&src=socialflowFB&utmmedium=social

Slightly different viewpoint.

Lynne1Cat · 22/07/2018 10:11

What fucking crap

VickyEadie · 22/07/2018 09:51

Rod Liddell is a twat but a stopped clock and all that...

ErrolTheDragon · 22/07/2018 09:04

Rod Liddell gives this a mention in The Sunday Times today

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irelands-leo-roars-like-any-eu-bully-but-his-uk-flights-threat-is-all-hot-airspace-xwwv7gxn0?shareToken=52a1fa01a926237dce231f5039964a2c
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Melamin · 21/07/2018 16:12

The 2015 Menopause guidelines do not impose any arbitrary time limits on HRT for women.

For most women, hrt is definitely beneficial up to 50 and the benefits outweigh the risks. From 60, the risks and benefits are similar. 70 onwards, risks usually outweigh benefits, especially if you have past history of heart attack or stroke.

After 5 years the risk of breast cancer increases, but returns to average after another 5 years. This does not apply to oestrogen only therapy.

Mostly it is a balancing of the risks and benefits based on your individual risks and health. You need a good GP to help with this.

The biggest problem is that many GPs are not up to date with their training in menopause and hrt. This is a result of the studies that came out around the millennium when hrt was dropped like a hot brick, and not enough training in the area at med school. So you have to learn as much as you can yourself.

My GP does not do women's stuff and the prescribing nurse wants me off hrt after 5 years 'because the risks outweigh the benefits' which is not true as my risks are low and I am early 50s. I need a decent GP Sad I think there is a lot of 'Labours of Eve' stuff at work in anything female and reproductive - it seems ingrained into society even though we seem to have long given up Church.

KwatahPanda · 21/07/2018 15:35

Well at least form Bria's username I can assume they enjoy a good bit of irony.

Sillyolme · 21/07/2018 15:22

Reeldoop, Bool'...

The risks of using cross sex HRT are not zero, but not amazingly high. There is a gross exaggeration on the risks that occurs on the web, both by nervous transfolk and by those who would see transfolk denied medical interventions. The greatest risk of estrogen is to those who have the genetic profile of estrogen sensitive breast cancer in their family, which is true for both sexes... and thus true for those transwomen from those families. The next greatest risk is of blood clots leading to vascular events. A recent paper showed them to be elevated, but no more so than for healthy women taking birth control. Chose your risks... but realize that an elevated risk of a low risk event is still a low risk event.

Am I an endocrinologist? No. However, not only have I been researching the science papers regarding trans issues (all of them) for decades. My college roommate was likely the first U.S. post-op transwoman to have gone to medical school (Stanford class of '85) post-transition then opened her own private primary care practice in LGBT medicine with the largest trans patient list in the country. (It was called the Sea Horse Medical Clinic and was located in Silicon Valley California). So SHE was the transgender endocrinologist (not board certified as there is no certifying board for transgender specialty... but she is The Expert if anyone ever was). She was a member of HBIGDA / WPATH of course. My own education included a focus on biology and psychology (among a couple other unrelated subjects of which I'm considered a world class expert). Anyways... Dr. Shaffer and I had MANY deep discussions regarding the science of transgender medicine and I even worked with her on several of her research projects over the decades.

As for HRT for older women being cut off... yeah... that's silly. Seriously. The studies show mixed results. Frankly, the studies were difficult to interpret because they lumped ALL HRT as the same when we have very good reason to believe that some treatments are very different than others. For example, conjugated estrogens (Premarin) do not have the same effect as Estradiol... and don't get me started on the fact that some of these studies from decades past were with DES! Many of the HRT protocols included using a mixture of an estrogen with a synthetic progestin like MPA... Ummmm.... yeah about that... MPA is a very effect birth control agent but it also has the neurological side effects such as drastically reducing libido in both men and women (in fact, its used as a chemical castration on sex offenders) and reduces the neuroprotective effect of endogenous progesterone in the brain (that is to say... that brain cells will die !).

Another problem with the studies is that they focused on determining the health benefits vs. risks using indicators that have nearly nothing to do with HRT use. For example, they focused on heart attacks in one of the largest studies but ignored quality of life.

The upshot is that many studies in women that lead to the current "wisdom" that women shouldn't be on HRT for very long is from a mix of bad HRT protocols and from bad study metrics. More recent studies focused on quality of life suggest that HRT using estradiol and micronized progesterone may be safer (never none zero risk) and provide better quality of life for many women.

Oh... and other risk factor differences between transwomen and the majority of women... no possibility of exacerbating endometriosis, ovarian problems, etc.

In the final analysis, using modern HRT protocol of Estradiol and Micronized Progesterone (twice daily) does have risks... but not great ones (taking paracetmol / tylenol has risks too....) and the benefits for both woman and transwomen (each for their own reasons) may (and often do) outweigh those risks.

Bowlofbabelfish · 21/07/2018 12:07

silly

I’d be interested to see work on that. It’s my understanding that any hormone supplementation increases cancer risk one way or another. You may have a drop in risk to one system but oestrogen is a powerful driver of many cancers.

reeldoop · 21/07/2018 11:58

so its only women that cant stay on HRT for more than, what is it? 10 years? Becaus eof increased risk of uterine and breast cancer right? Typical! But does protect against osteoporosis.

Do trans women have any risks associated with taking female hormones and losing the testosterone? (are you an endocrinologist?)

Sillyolme · 21/07/2018 01:17

Ohhh... I forgot... NO, the HRT that transwomen receive does NOT increase the risk of cancer. In fact, transwomen on E, etc. experience a reduction in total cancer risk due ot the reduced risk of prostate cancer. IF they have SRS, the risk of testicular cancer is obviously eliminated. The only risk that might be increased is breast cancer... but interestingly, the stats have not shown that to be significant and mostly seem to be the same risk as non trans men (yes, men get breast cancer too). The risk of cardiovascular events is increased, but no more than women using birthcontrol experience. And taking baby asprin can reduce that risk.

had1234 · 21/07/2018 01:14

Oh that’s interesting re the periods thing and autogynephilia. I started my own transition from “trans people need rights” to “this is fucking batshit bonkers nonsense” after seeing a tweet from a former colleague who was trans (mtf) about how she experienced period symptoms. I am beginning to think that this is all a fucking experimental theatre piece. I hope so. I wish I just hadn’t checked Twitter that day.